Movement abilities with damage just feels bad.

For DRK honestly I don't mind but the Dragoon jump this one really make me fucking mad to think about it's just lame job design for a job that is supposed to jump it's the first thing you think when you think dragoon now they only have Stardiver + starcross on a 60 sec cd which is fine but stardiver is lv80 80% of the game you don't have it and Dragonfire dive I don't know what worse that the jump is on 2 min CD , that its only 300 or that its upgraged with the new action is level 96. I played dragoon on a lv 50 dungeon this morning just to try with the remove of spineshatter it was the most boring experiance that I had and Dragoon is my f main. the biggest complain I had with dragoon is : Its burst come way too late in the game and burn so fast + not busy enough on lower content compared to other jobs

And what we got more high level action that you will use in the dlc for like 5 dungeons and 3 trials and less OGCD on lower level minor a party buff for a personal buff

Dragoon still hit hard thats not the point it just feel fucking slow

The only explanation for the dragoon change I have is this mental image of their brainstorming session:
- we need to remove the damage from the jump..
- but when someone is jumping on you from the skies with a spear - how can it _not_ cause damage?
- you are right, let’s make them drag their ass through the grass instead

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

The only explanation for the dragoon change I have is this mental image of their brainstorming session:
- we need to remove the damage from the jump..
- but when someone is jumping on you from the skies with a spear - how can it _not_ cause damage?
- you are right, let’s make them drag their ass through the grass instead

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THAT! thank you!

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Originally Posted by SongOfTheWind

The only explanation for the dragoon change I have is this mental image of their brainstorming session:
- we need to remove the damage from the jump..
- but when someone is jumping on you from the skies with a spear - how can it _not_ cause damage?
- you are right, let’s make them drag their ass through the grass instead

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I hate that you're probably right about this, and it was likely the same "logic" behind DRK and GNB's dashes too, lol.

I think it was something similar they did back then when DPS had Stun kicks as role actions which had 50 potency or something. They would have weaved it into their rotation as much as possible, troubling the tanks by making the mobs immune to their stuns when it was needed (Qarn's first boss, for instance, could be stunned during its doom cast and making the fight a cakewalk).

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Originally Posted by EliaStormblade

I disagree. Tagging damage into movement abilities just makes them soulless weave fodder rather than "movement and utility."

The loss of the associated animations, however, is sad. Plunge is far more of a unique animation that people loved, and Spineshatter Dive fits Dragoon (jumping job btw) far more than a generic dash.

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Ah, yes. Utility.
Abilities like low blow and Interject, that i last used over a year ago and were reduced to button bloat.
Taking away the damage number, giving them a dogshit animation and never giving you a reason to use them breathed so much life into the game.

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Originally Posted by GoatOfWar

Ah, yes. Utility.
Abilities like low blow and Interject, that i last used over a year ago and were reduced to button bloat.
Taking away the damage number, giving them a dogshit animation and never giving you a reason to use them breathed so much life into the game.

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Well... I still get the occasional use out of stuns due to how many things they can affect.

It's the interrupts that I've yet to find a consistent (and useful) purpose for, same with the other "grazes" and sleep spells.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Well... I still get the occasional use out of stuns due to how many things they can affect.

It's the interrupts that I've yet to find a consistent (and useful) purpose for, same with the other "grazes" and sleep spells.

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Legit haven't used low blow in over a year.
99.9% of this game's content is too trivial to have to use a single target stun.
The simple truth is, if they remove potency from utility, the ability becomes worthless.

The new Gunbreaker gap closer feels awful. It has a terrible sound compared to what Rough Divide had. The animation is very bad, also. Your character just ice-skates across the floor to the target without moving.

I want my flip back dammit!