Movement abilities with damage just feels bad.

[GrizzlyTank]

GAAAAH Spelling mistake in title. Movement abilities without damage just feels bad.

Plunge, Shoulder tackle and probably some more both got replaced with abilities that had their damage element removed...

And quite frankly it sucks, since now you removed one of the major elements that made using those feel satisfying. Great, you click the button and warp to the enemy. But no more do you get that great accompanying damaging sound as it connects, nor do you get to see any numbers appear on the screen.

It's now just a button that goes "you stand there now". And as someone who stuck with DRK partially due to the existence of Plunge, it's just sad to no longer yeet yourself on an enemy, ramming them with your sword. The first tank gap-closer, removed. (meanwhile paladin got to keep theirs with the damage element because?!?)

And all this because min-maxers weaved them into the rotation?

[EliaStormblade]

I disagree. Tagging damage into movement abilities just makes them soulless weave fodder rather than "movement and utility."

The loss of the associated animations, however, is sad. Plunge is far more of a unique animation that people loved, and Spineshatter Dive fits Dragoon (jumping job btw) far more than a generic dash.

[Toukichiful]

I disagree. Tagging damage into movement abilities just makes them soulless weave fodder rather than "movement and utility."

The loss of the associated animations, however, is sad. Plunge is far more of a unique animation that people loved, and Spineshatter Dive fits Dragoon (jumping job btw) far more than a generic dash.

Agree the thing is them being movement skills with utility is just useless if they just become fodder weave skills, because you can replace them with any skill with damage and it would be the same so what's the point of them being movement skills. I use onslaught for damage only never to actually be used as useful movement and it just feels bad weaving movement skills for damage and not even using them for movement.

[GoatOfWar]

I disagree. Tagging damage into movement abilities just makes them soulless weave fodder rather than "movement and utility."

The loss of the associated animations, however, is sad. Plunge is far more of a unique animation that people loved, and Spineshatter Dive fits Dragoon (jumping job btw) far more than a generic dash.

Ah, yes. Utility.
Abilities like low blow and Interject, that i last used over a year ago and were reduced to button bloat.
Taking away the damage number, giving them a dogshit animation and never giving you a reason to use them breathed so much life into the game.

[Aidorouge]

Ah, yes. Utility.
Abilities like low blow and Interject, that i last used over a year ago and were reduced to button bloat.
Taking away the damage number, giving them a dogshit animation and never giving you a reason to use them breathed so much life into the game.

Well... I still get the occasional use out of stuns due to how many things they can affect.

It's the interrupts that I've yet to find a consistent (and useful) purpose for, same with the other "grazes" and sleep spells.

[GoatOfWar]

Well... I still get the occasional use out of stuns due to how many things they can affect.

It's the interrupts that I've yet to find a consistent (and useful) purpose for, same with the other "grazes" and sleep spells.

Legit haven't used low blow in over a year.
99.9% of this game's content is too trivial to have to use a single target stun.
The simple truth is, if they remove potency from utility, the ability becomes worthless.

[Raikai]

Min maxers? I thought that using them properly as damaging tools were common for anybody seriously doing High End content, not just min maxers.

And that's exactly why I hate ogcd movement tools with damage components because it completely defeats the utility aspect of it. Chances when you actually need to move, for an unexpected reason, you won't have it available.

[YouMayNot]

Min maxers? I thought that using them properly as damaging tools were common for anybody seriously doing High End content, not just min maxers.

And that's exactly why I hate ogcd movement tools with damage components because it completely defeats the utility aspect of it. Chances when you actually need to move, for an unexpected reason, you won't have it available.

So you have to make choices in a video game and you have tradeoffs existing on skills. What's wrong exactly?

Chloe

[EliaStormblade]

So you have to make choices in a video game and you have tradeoffs existing on skills. What's wrong exactly?

Chloe

It's not really a choice.

[Raikai]

So you have to make choices in a video game and you have tradeoffs existing on skills. What's wrong exactly?

Chloe

Unless you're not interested in achieving your best dps, you will be forced to use those movement actions offensively because in XIV, damage is more high value than any kind of utility.

In fact, even movement utility is not required to anything (or else everybody would need it), which makes this issue even more glaring.