SCH new ability idea

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

You can't use Dissipation or Seraph while using Union, without cancelling Union, creating a 'soft lockout'. On the other hand, you are completely unable to use Union, Dissipation or Fey Blessing (???) while Seraph is out

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I see what you meant now. Yes, the capstone skills not being able to interact has been another issue that players have expressed throughout the years.

I will say Fey Blessing kinda gets a pass with Seraph since you get Consolation, but that doesn't address the point of the other skills.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I see what you meant now. Yes, the capstone skills not being able to interact has been another issue that players have expressed throughout the years.

I will say Fey Blessing kinda gets a pass with Seraph since you get Consolation, but that doesn't address the point of the other skills.

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Think of it like this... In ARR, Eos and Selene, despite having the same basic healing ability, Embrace, Eos was more focused on healing while Selene was more onto debuffing and draining MP and TP from your allies. :D. Having Eos out prevents you from using any of Selene's abilities, vice versa. Apply that towards having Seraph. As for the other abilities, it is more an indirect form of exclusivity. For instance, Aetherpact is forcing your pet to heal bomb a specific target, pretty much like a macro'ed Embrace+Adloquium of the olden times. Dissipation is just a way to give you a self buff to give more potent shielding and more stacks when the pet will not cover.

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Originally Posted by rawker

Think of it like this... In ARR, Eos and Selene, despite having the same basic healing ability, Embrace, Eos was more focused on healing while Selene was more onto debuffing and draining MP and TP from your allies. :D. Having Eos out prevents you from using any of Selene's abilities, vice versa. Apply that towards having Seraph. As for the other abilities, it is more an indirect form of exclusivity. For instance, Aetherpact is forcing your pet to heal bomb a specific target, pretty much like a macro'ed Embrace+Adloquium of the olden times. Dissipation is just a way to give you a self buff to give more potent shielding and more stacks when the pet will not cover.

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I hope this doesn't sound off, but why are you explaining the skills to me? I'm a Scholar. I've played the job since I started. I've been through every awkward change SE has put us through. God I miss my massive amount of DoTs, T.T

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I hope this doesn't sound off, but why are you explaining the skills to me? I'm a Scholar. I've played the job since I started. I've been through every awkward change SE has put us through. God I miss my massive amount of DoTs, T.T

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So am I. This was the first healer I picked up and fell in love with. I might show as a PLD but it doesn't change my leaning towards SCH as my preferred healer.

The point I am trying to explain was how some of the so-called restrictive nature of the pet abilities you pointed out has been present through the years. Besides, these restrictions make sense. What I can argue is that I hate how we have a demi-summon when Rouse functionally serves the same purpose of buffing our pet (in this case, give temporary effects to the pet when Rouse is active) and not deal with the massive delay of waiting for the silly animation to play when Seraph appears and disappears.

What I fear is that SCH will get reworked to get rid of the pet altogether and end up like SMN is at the moment.

If you are missing the DoT management, I am missing being able to stay in Cleric Stance for extended periods of time while I manage my Aetherflow stacks for Lustrates (25% max HP healed, not the 600 potency one) and Rouse all while optimizing where I place my pet for Embrace/Whispering Dawn coverage.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I see the exact opposite, dissipation is the foundation by which all the healing in this game should be based

If you want something you should give something up in exchange, you shouldn’t just be given limitless free healing that has no interaction

dissipation (and to a lesser extent seraph) are the core of the entire SCH job design because it both determines where your heals go and when you can burst for more damage, I’d honestly argue dissipation is the single most perfect ability across any of the 4 healers as it stands right now

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You mean... Dissipation is the single most useless skill of the entire healing kit?

30s of no fairy healing to get... 300 potency? on a 3min CD?
Like, we're talking about 3min CD, something that should be on par with Lilibell and Macrocosm.

Dissipation is the worst skill ever.
You loose your fairy to get 3 Flux + 20% more healing on spells... great, except that healing from flux don't get the healing bonus which is your bread and butter when it comes to healing. You also get no fairy gage from those flux which would most likely be useless because if you need 3 flux, the odds of having your SS, Indom or Excog on CD are quite high.
So indeed, all your left is, 300 potency of flux.

A 3min cd to get 300 potency and less healing for 30s.

At this point they could remove the skill and increase your broil potency by 5 and that'd be enough.

The issue isn't that it isn't free. the issue is that what you get makes no sens.
You get a healing buff that doesn't work with 90% of your kit
You get a ressource for healing skills which are most likely on CD and thus unusable.
You loose a synergy

They could remove the skill and put 5potency on broil and nothing would change beside saving SCH 1 button press.

If Dissipation would apply to ogcd and resets your indom, ss, excog cd (or just 1 for that matter) it would become really great and there the cost of fairy would kind of make sens.
But atm it doesn't, and the only realy it's still used is because for some reason the SCH community managed to make SS put back Energy Drain after its removal. (oddly enough, Sage suffers from the exact same issue and yet no one cares)
If they hadn't added ED back, this skill would make even less sens.

You are missing the big reason that the 20% healing up is so useful; in that it’s a buff for spreadlo, an extra free 20% up on spreadlo is huge considering how strong spreadlo already is

Regardless my point on why dissipation is a well designed skills is the fact that it’s designed so that it can be both a healing gain (that spreadlo buff can eliminate the need for a mitigation that can be placed elsewhere, or reduce the need for later healing after the fact) and also a DPS gain but if used wrong can be a massive downside (the whole shtick with dissipation in modern SCH design is if you are using dissipation to get aetherflow to use aetherflow heals you are already using dissipation wrong so the lack of a buff to aetherflow heals is pointless because that’s not dissipations purpose in modern SCH design, if you are dissipating with aetherflow heals on CD you are making two blatant mistakes in one right there)

I despise lilybell and macrocosmos (and pneuma to be fair), healing of that magnitude should not be free (hell pneuma and macrocosmos are conditional DPS gains at zero cost), healing should come at a cost, GCD healing costs, old lily’s cost, aetherflow healing costs, that’s what all healing should be, a calculated decision that has upsides and downsides, if you use it at the right time you are rewarded, if you use it at the wrong time you are punished

Dissipation retaining the old HW design of oGCD’s being on massive long CD’s (same problem illumination suffers from) and energy drain being weak as hell to the point that optimising energy drains doesn’t feel particularly rewarding are valid criticisms but that’s more a problem with energy drain not dissipation

I don’t like free healing, addersgall is a travesty of a system, DPS neutral lily’s are as well, the 90 capstone skills outside expedient are disgusting and should all be deleted, there should be punishment for healing wrong and choices to be made that determine how much damage you are allowed to do, dissipation is the only healing skill in the game that offers that choice

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You are missing the big reason that the 20% healing up is so useful; in that it’s a buff for spreadlo, an extra free 20% up on spreadlo is huge considering how strong spreadlo already is

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Don't forget to Fey Illumination and Protraction before dissipating the fairy for even thicker spreadlo.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

You mean... Dissipation is the single most useless skill of the entire healing kit?

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That is why you have to plan everything and use fairy abilities first so you can dissipate it without any worries of losing out on its abilities while under the effect of Dissipation.

If anything, I do not want SE to dumb down SCH's kit. The thinking requirement adds to the charm of the job, alongside the pet management, whatever remains of it.