Please make getting gear faster in Dawntrail

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

The bulk of players don't need BiS gear.

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Correct. Which means there's no reason to have it take so long to obtain it for the harder content that does want BiS.

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

FFXIV: We want to be able to gear faster!
SE: OK, fine. For a start we'll make relics just take 1500 mid grade tomes to complete each step. That will make it so people can get multiple jobs their weapons quickly.
FFXIV player base: No, not like that.

Seriously, make up your godsdamned minds.

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The relic weapon is only BiS for the very last patch of an expansion. Otherwise, it barely outclasses the EX primal weapon replaced a full patch earlier (Barbie/Golbez)

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

FFXIV: We want to be able to gear faster!
SE: OK, fine. For a start we'll make relics just take 1500 mid grade tomes to complete each step. That will make it so people can get multiple jobs their weapons quickly.
FFXIV player base: No, not like that.

Seriously, make up your godsdamned minds.

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You don't understand this game at all lmao.

Relic weapons are not BiS, nor have they ever been BiS, other than for the final few months of an expansion.
Those 1,500 tomes is not what we're talking about lmfao, everyone is clearly talking about lockouts.

I've got this sinking feeling that pretty much all of the people opposed to faster gearing are people who don't actually try to gear more than one job (in separate armor classes) if even that.

I'd actually much prefer a more interesting long term gearing system.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

IMO, I would only increase Tome cap slightly, from 450-600 or something like that.

More importantly than simply reducing or increasing rates, I think they need to revise or make additions to the content streams that you can obtain BiS from. E.g., this could be Criterion savage dungeons. They really need to diversify more than just tomes and savage raids for gear IMO.

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This would increase the rate at which gear is acquired while simultaneously increasing the number of things to do each week. Sounds good to me. Would it be enough? no but its a good start.

Now, as you mentioned alt jobs. I might point out that the exp pacing makes it difficult early on to really keep on top of it. However do note that unless specified for a specific class, you can pretty much keep a stock of old gear to utilize on alternate classes of that type (example blm, rdm, summoner all use casting).

So you could say level a group type and just store the gear sets needed that shares while just picking up the main weapon along the way.

Nobody actually needs BiS gear, and one normally can't even get it without first proving you don't need it.
So what's the hurry?

Threads like this never have anyone write down a timeline of how long they expect to get BiS for their jobs. Due to tomes, the earliest most jobs can get BiS is 6 weeks. A raid tier lasts around 8-9 months. How fast do people want to gear up, assuming you're diligently working towards it. Note that the main limiting factor right now is 1) weapon and 2) tomes.

At the start of 6.5, I had MNK, SAM, and SMN fully BiS with PLD & WAR a couple hunt trains away from being fully BiS as well.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Correct. Which means there's no reason to have it take so long to obtain it for the harder content that does want BiS.

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You just used the word "want". If it's a want, it's not something that has to be acquired at all let alone fast.

If you meant content that needs BiS, what is there besides Ultimate and maybe Criterion Savage? How many players are tackling that content using multiple roles instead of what they consider their main job?

The problem with the gear system is that outside the two examples above, BiS gear usually is pointless by the time you get it. You've already managed to clear the content trying to get it, and players planning week one clears for the next content release will be going straight to the new tomestones and crafted gear since they will have a higher item level.

BiS is nothing more than a goal with subjective value for players to chase to keep them subbed longer if they aren't interested in other content.

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Originally Posted by Azlith

I've got this sinking feeling that pretty much all of the people opposed to faster gearing are people who don't actually try to gear more than one job (in separate armor classes) if even that.

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Or they're players who aren't interested in overgearing content they've already cleared.

Again, there's a big difference between need and want. Things that are needed should be attainable fairly quickly. Things that are wanted can wait.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You just used the word "want". If it's a want, it's not something that has to be acquired at all let alone fast.

If you meant content that needs BiS, what is there besides Ultimate and maybe Criterion Savage? How many players are tackling that content using multiple roles instead of what they consider their main job?

The problem with the gear system is that outside the two examples above, BiS gear usually is pointless by the time you get it. You've already managed to clear the content trying to get it, and players planning week one clears for the next content release will be going straight to the new tomestones and crafted gear since they will have a higher item level.

BiS is nothing more than a goal with subjective value for players to chase to keep them subbed longer if they aren't interested in other content.

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Agreed. BIS really is meant for high end raiders. Like I'm not even working on augmenting my comedy gear. I don't raid so no reason and with no new gear coming before 7.0. Less of a need.

Besides, will be replacing it anyways in dawntraio