Can FFXIV 2.0 top Final Fantasy VII?

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

FF7 was ok to me. Then fans of Cloud and Sephiroth left a bitter taste in my mouth.

It's like WoW. People don't hate the game. They hate the fans of the game that act in an unfavorable manner.

2.0 is AOK in my book. Yes, I borrowed Matoya's crystal ball.

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Agree here.

FFVII was a very good game. But it also came out during a time where 3D graphics were new and VII was doing something very few games had done before, if any. It got a boost in popularity because of this.

Any fanbase will always have the oozing pustule that is a fanboy growth. It's unavoidable and just so happens that VII has a very large tumor.

FFVII was great, and it was one of the best of it's time. But I personally feel VIII beat it out, and many would agree X surpasses it in many ways, both in FF impact and gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Lum

Unless they start making open world non linear final fantasy's then nothing will ever top the old school final fantasy's. It's that simple. OPEN WORLD NON LINEAR!

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Lum-
The Elder Scrolls is non-linear.
FFI is non-linear
FFIV is linear. FFV (my favorite) is linear. FFVI is linear. FFVII is linear. All of them are linear, up to XII that hides it's linearity decently and is the last that I played, so I don't know about the others.

Final Fantasy is linear.

Hahaha, reading comments on various sites just reminds me how terriblet the Final Fantasy community is, and how impossible it is to please them.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

Hahaha, reading comments on various sites just reminds me how terriblet the Final Fantasy community is, and how impossible it is to please them.

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Pfft! Have you met us?

Forget trying to please the FF community. Just trying to please the XIV community is an insurmountable task!

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Pfft! Have you met us?

Forget trying to please the FF community. Just trying to please the XIV community is an insurmountable task!

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Considering most people here are either FF fans, or FFXI fans...

Also dat typo. Not gonna bother fixing it because I've been quoted already.

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Originally Posted by Lum

Unless they start making open world non linear final fantasy's then nothing will ever top the old school final fantasy's. It's that simple. OPEN WORLD NON LINEAR!

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I remember hearing somewhere - and it sounds extremely likely - that the reason we don't see any overworld maps in recent Final Fantasy games is because the quality of the graphics have outstripped the capacities of the machines. The PS3 only has 256 MBs of dedicated Graphics RAM with another 256 MBs of system RAM. Developers can play all sorts of cool tricks to squeeze out every bit of graphical prowess of those 512 MBs or RAM, but overworld maps a much larger in scale with a larger amount of "stuff" to store.

My understanding is that SE wants to keep a "consistent" graphical style with their games; a style they just cannot make happen anymore on a massive scale like an overworld map. In the older games - take FFIX for example - the backdrops were still images, meaning a much lower overall memory footprint and a very specific graphical style, which could be reproduced in an overworld setting. Meanwhile, games like FFXIII just have too much "there" there to reproduce on the same scale.

As I said, that is what I have heard, and it makes sense to a degree. Also, I like to think that that is the case, since it would mean that in the next generation when console makes finally wise up and realize it only costs $20 to install 8GB of memory we may very well see some overworld maps again. Perhaps I am just being wishful though.

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Originally Posted by Hulan

I remember hearing somewhere - and it sounds extremely likely - that the reason we don't see any overworld maps in recent Final Fantasy games is because the quality of the graphics have outstripped the capacities of the machines. The PS3 only has 256 MBs of dedicated Graphics RAM with another 256 MBs of system RAM. Developers can play all sorts of cool tricks to squeeze out every bit of graphical prowess of those 512 MBs or RAM, but overworld maps a much larger in scale with a larger amount of "stuff" to store.

My understanding is that SE wants to keep a "consistent" graphical style with their games; a style they just cannot make happen anymore on a massive scale like an overworld map. In the older games - take FFIX for example - the backdrops were still images, meaning a much lower overall memory footprint and a very specific graphical style, which could be reproduced in an overworld setting. Meanwhile, games like FFXIII just have too much "there" there to reproduce on the same scale.

As I said, that is what I have heard, and it makes sense to a degree. Also, I like to think that that is the case, since it would mean that in the next generation when console makes finally wise up and realize it only costs $20 to install 8GB of memory we may very well see some overworld maps again. Perhaps I am just being wishful though.

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This is a sign that they should ditch consoles and learn the ways of the PC master race. Seriously, SE and Atlus are really the only reasons I personally bother with consoles anymore.

The timing now does seem to be similar to the time of FF7's success, so FFXIV 2.0 and the eventual FFvsXIII and FFXV (if either comes out before the situation changes) are in a good position to repeat FF7's success story.

After all, right now in MMO's everyone is jaded about WoW's continuing success and all the WoW clones that are failing to topple the king. SWTOR shows that the MMO that can beat WoW is probably not going to be a WoW clone. Tera and GW2 are re-igniting interest in the genre, but it's going to take something more than either of those to finally dethrone WoW. Objectively, I don't think 2.0 is going to be the WoW-killer either, though. >_> It's going to take some pretty spectacular story-telling and gameplay improvements to do that, and, although I have faith that the content in 2.0 will be entertaining and fun to play and add more content from expansions, if the WoW-killing features aren't in a game at launch, it's probably never going to become a WoW-killer. And then there's the threat of Blizzard's next MMO to contend with.

FFvsXIII and FFXV have a much better chance to succeed because the JRPG in the West is the subject of endless ridicule and hypocrisy, and the level of hate against the JRPG is infecting Japanese developers who continually wonder why the West doesn't like their games, second-guess their stories and gameplay in a failed attempt to try to appeal to Westerners, or they just don't export games that are Japan-centric because they don't think anyone in the West will enjoy a game made for Japan. Both FFvsXIII and FFXV, if they can manage capture the ideals of earlier titles and still present innovative gameplay and storytelling, have the potential to end the controversy and maybe, just maybe, get Westerners to respect JRPG's once more.

Wada wants to surpass FFVII's quality? I thought they did that with Xenogears, I mean unless I'm mistaken in thinking Squaresoft was the developer of Xenogears.

But then again, quality is generally relative in reality...

All I get from that article is "Buy more FF games and maybe we'll remake 7," really SE?