Thread: Can FFXIV 2.0 top Final Fantasy VII?

Originally Posted by Doho

i honestly feel like FF7 is waaay over sensationalized.

It is. It's a fantastic game but to this day it is unbelievably overrated.

It's not hard to make something better than FFVII.
Look at X, or hell X-2 but I can consider that to be true only for me. I still prefer the story of IX over VII's.

'topping' VII is merely a matter of time, when VII is some old that the nostalgia moves to another game. I s'pose XI will probably be the one to take it's place over time, it's newer and just as ridiculously nostalgia-ridden.

I feel like how 'good' a game is, its obviously going to be different for everyone. I think the thing he's trying to do here isn't make a game thats better than FF7 as far as gameplay/story goes, but rather make something that is critically acclaimed outside of its niche. I mean FF7 is famous, even gamers who dont touch the RPG genre and non gamers alike have atleast heard of it, its just iconic. I feel like he's looking to create a new icon for the company.

FF7 struck a note for many reasons. Its manga/anime style was gaining popularity in the west at the time of its release, as was the PS1, the console it released on. There werent many 3D rpgs around, and the characters and the story found the right balance with the people. It was something very different. These days, its hard to make something different because everything has been done, so you end up making things that arent as good for the sake of being different (and these are the things no one has done because they werent good enough to do.) So finding something unique and amazing is a very rare occurance.

To achieve this, SE will need to make something truly ground breaking and revolutionary that will cause the gaming world to stop and take notice of it. To praise it, recommend it, talk about it with everyone they meet. If its truly good, it will still be here in 10 years and then it will have that nostalgia factor. Another hurdle they face is that this generation of gamer is much harder to impress and has much higher standards than 10 years ago. The only thing people seem to love more now than a good game, is a bad game that tried to be good, so they can rip on it.

Originally Posted by Orca

I feel like how 'good' a game is, its obviously going to be different for everyone. I think the thing he's trying to do here isn't make a game thats better than FF7 as far as gameplay/story goes, but rather make something that is critically acclaimed outside of its niche. I mean FF7 is famous, even gamers who dont touch the RPG genre and non gamers alike have atleast heard of it, its just iconic. I feel like he's looking to create a new icon for the company.

FF7 struck a note for many reasons. Its manga/anime style was gaining popularity in the west at the time of its release, as was the PS1, the console it released on. There werent many 3D rpgs around, and the characters and the story found the right balance with the people. It was something very different. These days, its hard to make something different because everything has been done, so you end up making things that arent as good for the sake of being different (and these are the things no one has done because they werent good enough to do.) So finding something unique and amazing is a very rare occurance.

To achieve this, SE will need to make something truly ground breaking and revolutionary that will cause the gaming world to stop and take notice of it. To praise it, recommend it, talk about it with everyone they meet. If its truly good, it will still be here in 10 years and then it will have that nostalgia factor. Another hurdle they face is that this generation of gamer is much harder to impress and has much higher standards than 10 years ago. The only thing people seem to love more now than a good game, is a bad game that tried to be good, so they can rip on it.

I can only like a post once, so I'll just repost it. :P

But really, Final Fantasy VII just hit the gaming world at a very pivotal moment. Cinematic experiences in gaming hadn't taken off yet, and CD media was becoming a huge factor for a multitude of reasons, and Final Fantasy VII just managed to hit a bunch of people's "on" buttons all at the same time and at the right time.

Honestly, Final Fantasy X had the exact same shot during the PS2 days(and apparently it has quite a large fanbase), and Final Fantasy XIII would have had the exact same shot this generation if its development cycle wasn't riddled with huge problems from day one.

Wada needs to be fired seriously, this guy knows nothing about games, or the industry, i can name you 3 tittles from the same era that far surpass FFVII in every aspect: FFT, Vagrant Story, Xenogears. Also FFVII success was not because the game was that "Awesome" all the outside factors that people mentioned already are fact, had FFVI been FFVII(Originally FFVII was gonna be a snes game) FFVII would be what FFVIII was(Wish i dunno to me it was a solid game)

FFXIV currently cant top VII, VII appealed to a wider crowd than just JRPG players, and XIV is only focused on maintaining it's "Old school hardcore crowd" that way they will never appeal to the wider audience they need to not only succeed but to even try and outdo XI.

Btw: Xenogears >>>>>> FFVI = Suikoden II >>>> FFVII