Savage Raid mounts

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

So we're gonna sit here and compare the plight of the savage raider to minorities who have actually suffered and died at the hands of legit assholes.

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Comparison is extreme yes, but the core logic really weak in both cases. You're basically saying that status quo should never change because... it would upset the status quo. Why yes, that's the point of change.

You should have at least tried to argue that people were happy with the current system, as it stands your whole point feels lazy.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Comparison is extreme yes, but the core logic really weak in both cases. You're basically saying that status quo should never change because... it would upset the status quo. Why yes, that's the point of change.

You should have at least tried to argue that people were happy with the current system, as it stands your whole point feels lazy.

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The thing is ... I didn't actually say that it shouldn't change because it would upset the status quo. All I've ever said is you can eventually get it.

If anything is lazy, it's the initial argument and its support. People seem happy, there I said it. :p I felt like it was a given considering the support this isn't getting.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

So we're gonna sit here and compare the plight of the savage raider to minorities who have actually suffered and died at the hands of legit assholes. Sure, let's unpack this some more. Nothing says "I don't care about this topic either" like bringing up some insane bullshit like that.

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No? At all. It's not about the content itself, but rather the argument you used. "Just because we're functioning as it is, why should we change it?"
When clearly, if people want to see it changed and find the system no longer applies, then why not suggest it?

If you have anything to say about the analogy itself, sure, probably not the best. BUT I couldn't come up with a better one. Maybe you can :P Like, I won't say that it wasn't an extreme thing to say; it was. But I wasn't seeking to compare the two situations, simply illustrating the point of what I was going to say after. Nor was I trying to offend anyone by it.

But the argument still stands. Just because it worked in the past doesn't mean we haven't moved on and could probably do with better.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Comparison is extreme yes, but the core logic really weak in both cases. You're basically saying that status quo should never change because... it would upset the status quo. Why yes, that's the point of change.

You should have at least tried to argue that people were happy with the current system, as it stands your whole point feels lazy.

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And yeah, I'm aware people are happy. I'm also aware people are unhappy. I'm not really taking much of a side other than "okay, the solution people provided seems a little too simple for what it is". But only because I feel like mounts and such aren't the same as gearsets. They're novelty items, and while I don't think they should cost 99 off the bat (that's also pretty stupid, like wtf. I KNOW people who ran savage 99x for a mount), I also don't think 8 is a decent number for it. Maybe bump it up a bit, but not to the 90's.

Edit: Dev, I thought of a better line. Gonna go edit it!

Maybe some day you'll catch the hint that you're better served speaking directly to something and maybe asking for clarification instead of sounding the a jackass while trying to be clever. :rolleyes:

At any rate, I was fishing for an answer because simply telling them to do something like this (where the opportunities get easier and easier) begs for a little more than just I want my mount now.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Maybe some day you'll catch the hint that you're better served speaking directly to something and maybe asking for clarification instead of sounding the a jackass while trying to be clever. :rolleyes:

At any rate, I was fishing for an answer because simply telling them to do something like this (where the opportunities get easier and easier) begs for a little more than just I want my mount now.

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Maybe one day you'll understand that all you do is whinge about people wanting to improve upon the game and at the very least acknowledge that the game has really old systems that need improvement. You know, rather than always acting like a jerk and being abrasive to people. Because I've seriously never seen you not be caustic on any thread that asks for changes.

...jesus, did you have to be an arse about this? Anyway, I edited the quote for you. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

Also, no you weren't fishing, you were being caustic. I return you the same words:
Stop going into threads acting like a jerk. If you want an answer, be direct. Stop fishing, otherwise you'll be met with snark and vagueness. Why are YOU beating around the bush if your intentions aren't clear?

And I mean, have you ever tried to farm for a mount without waiting until its price got lowered? It's a novelty item, sure, but it doesn't warrant 99 runs of it to bypass an already strict RNG. It's just a mount. That level of dedication just isn't worth it for a mount.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Maybe one day you'll understand that all you do is whinge about people wanting to improve upon the game and at the very least acknowledge that the game has really old systems that need improvement. You know, rather than always acting like a jerk and being abrasive to people. Because I've seriously never seen you not be caustic on any thread that asks for changes.

...jesus, did you have to be an arse about this? Anyway, I edited the quote for you. Take it or leave it, I don't care.

Also, no you weren't fishing, you were being caustic. I return you the same words:
Stop going into threads acting like a jerk. If you want an answer, be direct. Stop fishing, otherwise you'll be met with snark and vagueness. Why are YOU beating around the bush if your intentions aren't clear?

And I mean, have you ever tried to farm for a mount without waiting until its price got lowered? It's a novelty item, sure, but it doesn't warrant 99 runs of it to bypass an already strict RNG. It's just a mount. That level of dedication just isn't worth it for a mount.

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They certainly know a lot about sounding like "a jackass while trying to be clever".

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Originally Posted by Saraide

They certainly know a lot about sounding like "a jackass while trying to be clever".

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tbh I take the L he said about me. It's a stupid habit that I have and I should stop doing that.

But there are manners even when pointing out flaws. He can be clever all he wants. Attitudes like these are why nobody takes FireMage seriously, and he's only alienating those who can agree with him.

Like, I get it. It wasn't the best of things to say. But there's no need to rub the person all over the carpet after pointing it out.

With jerks like these, no wonder people say the forums suck. It's not the constant negativity. It's people attitudes.

Still, whatever. Thing's edited. Y'all can argue about mounts for all I care.

I'm up for this... Gate it behind 8 books, it's a good compromise that would have zero impact on static players.

I'm a PF raider and the loot system is simply atrocious for us.

I'm going back trying to gear an alt job, and as of today's clear, I'm literally on my fifth week of P5S without a single loot win, only feeding on those pity books. It's especially bad when you see someone getting multiple loot chests in the same run, while others get zero.

How to solve this without impacting Static? Maybe make a checkbox option to have the loot work like in the normal mode: not able to win multiple items at once (that, of course, until the tier loot is unrestricted in the following patch).

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

And yeah, I'm aware people are happy. I'm also aware people are unhappy. I'm not really taking much of a side other than "okay, the solution people provided seems a little too simple for what it is". But only because I feel like mounts and such aren't the same as gearsets. They're novelty items, and while I don't think they should cost 99 off the bat (that's also pretty stupid, like wtf. I KNOW people who ran savage 99x for a mount), I also don't think 8 is a decent number for it. Maybe bump it up a bit, but not to the 90's.

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I'm gonna say something that might be controversial:

Savage gear is a novelty in and of itself, just like the mounts.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

I'm gonna say something that might be controversial:

Savage gear is a novelty in and of itself, just like the mounts.

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With a bit more use though, no? :o I mean, ok sure, after a while it becomes glamour. Because that's how Vertical Progression works xD
But one helps you clear fights and all that. The other's just one more mount among the many we have. It's not the same, at least for as long as the content is viable.