Warrior potency

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Well, that depends on why. If it's simply not possible to clear day 1 because of gear, then I don't think that's a good thing. That's why I think Ultimates are perfect because they're simply challenging, not locked or gated by needing several weeks of gear like what happened back in Alexander savage.

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That's basically the only reason bosses ever took that long. You either needed to farm gear from that raid first to progress further, needed specific gear (in games that had elemental resistances for example), it was bugged (hello Twisters) or you needed to do the most obscure things to even summon it in the first place.
The bosses that took this long to kill were not only gear gated but came out at a time where mmos were new so pretty much everyone was absolutely terrible at the game.

I agree I play Warrior because I want to see those big Direct Crit numbers, give me a bit of my dopamine hit please.

Pretty sure people will gladly take a cure potency nerf on BW if it meant overall higher dps for the job as a whole. Pretty sure when criterion dungeons release people will see just how strong BW actually is.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Pretty sure people will gladly take a cure potency nerf on BW if it meant overall higher dps for the job as a whole. Pretty sure when criterion dungeons release people will see just how strong BW actually is.

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A potency nerf would make it basically useless in any savage fight but still completely overpowered in dungeons. That's the whole issue, Bloodwhetting itself isn't actually that strong, it just scales infinitely with the amount of enemies. If Criterion dungeons keep the mob density of normal dungeons then of course it's going to be strong, in 8man fights however it already isn't any better than Heart of Corundum, in this savage tier it might actually be worse.

Wait, what's wrong with WAR?

Of all the Tanks, it's probably the one I like right now, despite not really being a berserker fan in a lore/aesthetic sense.

The rotation makes sense and doesn't require add-ons and reverse engineering to work out how to do well with it, it's forgiving but can still be wiffed thus allowing some skill expression, and it just feels...fun. I'm not sure how to quantify "fun", but it's just enjoyable. I like GNB okay, but WAR just feels...nice somehow. Granted, I'm a healer main, so being "the party's Blue Healer" might be part of that (though I find myself healing party members less on WAR than I do on PLD - which I know makes me a bad PLD, but I almost never PLD), but I honestly really like WAR.

I wish it jived with me more in terms of lore and appearance, but I can still enjoy it despite that. Which to me says it's a great design if even a person that isn't that into the class fantasy can still really enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

A potency nerf would make it basically useless in any savage fight but still completely overpowered in dungeons. That's the whole issue, Bloodwhetting itself isn't actually that strong, it just scales infinitely with the amount of enemies. If Criterion dungeons keep the mob density of normal dungeons then of course it's going to be strong, in 8man fights however it already isn't any better than Heart of Corundum, in this savage tier it might actually be worse.

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Tbh, you're probably wasting your time trying to explain this, it's been said countless times already, and still people regurgitate the same bull about Bloodwhetting is too strong, as a means to prevent WAR get a potency buff, like dungeons even matter lmao

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Wait, what's wrong with WAR?

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Very low damage, too much utility, healing not designed well, and rotation is very simple. The opposite of what WAR core identity should be.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Tbh, you're probably wasting your time trying to explain this, it's been said countless times already, and still people regurgitate the same bull about Bloodwhetting is too strong, as a means to prevent WAR get a potency buff, like dungeons even matter lmao

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Why shouldn't dungeons matter? They're the content everyone does and the majority of ppl keep doing. It's not like the first duty people run into is 8-man stuff when a new expansion comes out. More ppl do dungeons than savage raids, so it makes more sense to balance things around dungeons. No one's gonna keep playing a job to the point they can take it to savage if it can't perform well in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

Why shouldn't dungeons matter? They're the content everyone does and the majority of ppl keep doing. It's not like the first duty people run into is 8-man stuff when a new expansion comes out. More ppl do dungeons than savage raids, so it makes more sense to balance things around dungeons. No one's gonna keep playing a job to the point they can take it to savage if it can't perform well in dungeons.

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It shouldn't matter because dungeons are an absolute joke. Bloodwhetting in dungeons doesn't matter because you don't need it to completely steamroll this content with your brain turned off, Dark Knight/Gunbreaker/Paladin can do it just as easily.

Jobs are balanced around 8-man high end content because it is the only content where balance actually matters, the only content where not beating it in X amount of time leads to guaranteed failure, where mechanics do just straight up kill you if you do them wrong. They absolutely shouldn't be balanced around content where your performance is literally irrelevant and you can just whack a boss for 20 minutes to win, this includes both normal and alliance raids as well.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

Why shouldn't dungeons matter? They're the content everyone does and the majority of ppl keep doing. It's not like the first duty people run into is 8-man stuff when a new expansion comes out. More ppl do dungeons than savage raids, so it makes more sense to balance things around dungeons. No one's gonna keep playing a job to the point they can take it to savage if it can't perform well in dungeons.

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While answered above quite fairly by Tiana and I agree 100% with them, but also if the devs actually considered dungeon for balance, then every single job would also have at least their first AoE spammable weaponskill /spell before the very first dungeon. But pretty much dungeons are not even remotely difficult, trash is more threatening than the actual bosses...

So regarding this statement, "No one's gonna keep playing a job to the point they can take it to savage if it can't perform well in dungeons." it is factually incorrect because:

DRK technically plays the worst in dungeons, more so in the hands of players that haven't a clue how to rotate their cooldowns correctly / efficiently, and will struggle, while the other three tanks are easier to manage, yet in Savage DRK is an absolute beast strongest damage mitigating tank, and strongest DPSing tank.

On the flip side, PLD and WAR are super strong in dungeons, especially compared to DRK, yet both jobs were recently excluded from the latest raid tier in PFs for p8s.

So you might wanna rethink that one.