Caster balance - Progression jobs vs speed

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly it's an easy fix. Just make raise a role action ability with 120s cooldown.

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Yes, that'd be the easiest fix but it isn't at the same time because you'd give it to BLM so you'd have to balance damage upward for casters or put BLM downward. I highly doubt they want to lower BLM damage and I doubt they want casters to do as much DPS as melees. What baffles me is that MCH is basically BLM and they're doing 1k DPS less.

Hopefully they become more open about balancing. While they're doing that, I'll just enjoy RDM. Because RDM is fun in raids. Even if I'm doing weaker DPS than BLM. I don't get the SMN caveats that unless I have 2k sps which I don't, Bahamut desyncs in P2S. I don't deal with Carbuncle caveats or any support ability that requires a specific avatar on the field. They could completely remove Phoenix and give Phoenix-like support ability and adjust Bahamut and just have us summon Bahamut every minute and SMN's gameplay would be better. That's my 2 cents anyways since I know casuals that dont raid would be pissed to lose a Summon phase.

SMN is the result when you cater just to casuals who don't raid and they completely ignores the raiders.

Welp, I would prog on BLM if I didn't invest in crit/det gear over SPS.

It just saddens me a little I guess. I’ve mained SMN since 2.0. As someone who is party find raiding, I might consider progging on black mage in the next tier. I feel like with party finder, it’s almost better to play the selfish DPS, so you don’t have to rely on your party members as much.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

But the thread isn't about RDM or SMN doing less damage than BLM, it's BLMs being asked to change to RDM or SMN because of raise.

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This would continue to happen without raise, because of BLM's unique 'Turret' playstyle. So long as that exists, BLM will always feel like an outlier compared to stuttersteplord RDM and 'I'm only technically a caster three times per minute' SMN.

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Originally Posted by Gruntler

This would continue to happen without raise, because of BLM's unique 'Turret' playstyle. So long as that exists, BLM will always feel like an outlier compared to stuttersteplord RDM and 'I'm only technically a caster three times per minute' SMN.

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I don't think you can call the current BLM a "turret" anymore with the amont of movement tools they have now. Do they still have to cast more than rdm and smn? Yes, but let's not fool ourselves here. BLM doesn't really have to stand still for long periods of time anymore. I just don't think you can call them turret mages anymore. I still think removing or nerfing/rework the caster rez would help balance the role some since right now there is a balancing problem in the caster role compared to all the other roles. As the OP said you don't see any of the melees switching to sam after prog is over but you do see smns and rdms switching to blms after they cleared a fight. Shoot you see smn switching to rdm during prog in this expac since rdm is slight stronger in the utility department and begins the same dps(I know I did since smn isnt in a good spot right now despise what others have said.)

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Originally Posted by MrJPtheAssassin

I don't think you can call the current BLM a "turret" anymore with the amont of movement tools they have now. Do they still have to cast more than rdm and smn? Yes, but let's not fool ourselves here. BLM doesn't really have to stand still for long periods of time anymore. I just don't think you can call them turret mages anymore. I still think removing or nerfing/rework the caster rez would help balance the role some since right now there is a balancing problem in the caster role compared to all the other roles. As the OP said you don't see any of the melees switching to sam after prog is over but you do see smns and rdms switching to blms after they cleared a fight. Shoot you see smn switching to rdm during prog in this expac since rdm is slight stronger in the utility department and begins the same dps(I know I did since smn isnt in a good spot right now despise what others have said.)

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Are speedrun comps still altering strats to fit entirely around their BLM so the BLM can keep casting? Yes?

Then yeah, it's still a Turret Job making weird Turret Job things happen.

And the reason you don't see melee switching over is mostly because LOLRPR things.

rez has already been nerfed (atleast on Smn)..,.Smn''s MP consumption is so high, by the time you hit the last quarter of a savage fight, there is barely enough MP to rez, if at all (or Smn needs to build Lucid Dreaming into the their rota)

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

rez has already been nerfed (atleast on Smn)..,.Smn''s MP consumption is so high, by the time you hit the last quarter of a savage fight, there is barely enough MP to rez, if at all (or Smn needs to build Lucid Dreaming into the their rota)

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So... hit lucid dreaming then?