NIN: New Jin+Chi+Ten/ Chi+Jin+Ten Ninjutsu?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I am just kinda baffled by the removal of Shadow Fang, why was that necessary?...

If anything I think they should've removed the CD on it and just made it a 100% uptime dot.
Downtime on NIN is already really slow and dull.

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I literally said the same thing here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-s-thoughts-on

My idea was to take all of Ninja's peripheral abilities such as shadowfang, throwing daggers, and armor crush and turn them into long-ranged comboed abilities with DOT/Debuff procs.

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

What's the point of even having the mudra system if you don't need to use it to activate their abilities?

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You would still use it to activate Fuma, Raiton, Doton, Kaiton, super Kaiton and super Hyton.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

You would still use it to activate Fuma, Raiton, Doton, Kaiton, super Kaiton and super Hyton.

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No no no, SE needs to stop breaking the aesthetic of the job. To me, there's no point in playing ninja if huton isn't a mudra ability. And it's so unnecessary, becaue huton is not hard to activate.

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

No no no, SE needs to stop breaking the aesthetic of the job. To me, there's no point in playing ninja if huton isn't a mudra ability. And it's so unnecessary, becaue huton is not hard to activate.

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Neither was Blood of the Dragon but look what happended to it.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Neither was Blood of the Dragon but look what happended to it.

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These classes are just becoming dumbed down and homogenized.

Good video detaining all the changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4uky2tcmr8 Pause after each new tooltip shows on screen to read about then:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4uky2tcmr8

One-key Huton with 200 potency attack. No more long 4-key mudra before every battle

Is there a beta / PTR available so we can try the changes out and develop a new UI / keybind setup?

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Neither was Blood of the Dragon but look what happended to it.

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Blood of the Dragon had no opportunity cost or integral mechanics. You could literally assign it to an auto-clicker and it'd work just like a trait.

It was, in terms of actual complexity, a trait -- just with added button bloat for the purposes of having a shiny animation.

Shadow Fang being removed from the rotation? Yeah, that's needless shallowing. Enochian or, worse, BotD? No. That's just redeeming needless button bloat.

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Originally Posted by Flynn89

These classes are just becoming dumbed down and homogenized.

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It's not dumbing down exactly if they replace an easy to maintian trait and replace it with something more interresting. Losing greased lightning, which monk got three expansions worth of skills just devoted to helping maintain it, to now getting the masterful blitz, for example, is a good thing. Greased Lightning wasn't exactly hard to maintain, just really punishing if the fight forced you to drop it for whatever reason. And now the job has something more engaging. If they give ninja something more engaging than just hit Armor Crush every 40-60 seconds, then that's still better for the job.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

Is there a beta / PTR available so we can try the changes out and develop a new UI / keybind setup?

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The closest anyone is going to get to try the new changes is the media tour, otherwise, you will get your hands on it on release at the absolute earliest.

I'm glad NIN at least has something else to do during its "filler" period between burst windows thanks to the new Forked/Fleeting Raiju follow-ups after Raiton.