PL Woes

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Sorry, this common misconception and MMO rumor is starting to bother the f**k out of me. Players will always love the leveling journey if it is presented in an accessible and fun manner. People like it when they are able to log in and get at least something accomplished without having the same monotonous leveling style from level 1 all the way to the cap.

FFXI and FFXIV's models of straight up grinding mobs makes their journeys one of the least desirable ones in MMO gaming, and it's the number one reason why PLing is so pervasive now. PLing existed in WOW for a very long time, but it's not a problem because Blizzard invested so many resources into making leveling fun, that people who get PLed actually miss out on fun content, lore, and the game's experience.

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^^^ Very much this, anyone that finds leveling in FFXIV fun must hate themselves.

Wise words Vaer but this is what I cannot work out.

They know they had a faithful client base in FFXI. Proven numbers and accounts which remained active for YEARS on end without breaks. Why not create a similar atmosphere for the new game? All but ensure they retain the previous player base from FFXI while still netting those willing to shoulder the difficulty in this new generation? Surely everyone born after 1990 can't ALL be uninterested in an MMO which pushes back.

Instead of trying to compete with every other MMO which hand holds their customers to the end of the game and gives them a yellow sticker of mediocrity develop a harsh unforgiving world which only the crazy and stubborn survive? Sure you'll never reach the numbers that WoW has but then again, no one ever will. Surely they realized once Abbesea hit players started dropping like flies. All their loyal previous subscribers just up and quit once content that had taken them years to finish were being blasted away by Month old's.

FFXI is beating the ever living PANTS out of FFXIV numbers wise as it is. Risking the gambit again in 2.0 to 'appeal to a wider audience' seems like putting a smoking revolver back in your mouth because there is no WAY you could get two bullets back to back when playing Russian Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

^^^ Very much this, anyone that finds leveling in FFXIV fun must hate themselves.

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yeah, compared to sitting on a chocobo for days on end doing absolutely nothing is so much fun in itself. i will say i have more fun killing mobs than i do sitting on a chocobo watching someone else kill the mob for me.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

FFXI and FFXIV's models of straight up grinding mobs makes their journeys one of the least desirable ones in MMO gaming, and it's the number one reason why PLing is so pervasive now. PLing existed in WOW for a very long time, but it's not a problem because Blizzard invested so many resources into making leveling fun, that people who get PLed actually miss out on fun content, lore, and the game's experience.

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Holy. Finally a post with some intelligent and facts in it.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

yeah, compared to sitting on a chocobo for days on end doing absolutely nothing is so much fun in itself. i will say i have more fun killing mobs than i do sitting on a chocobo watching someone else kill the mob for me.

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The difference is that sitting on a chocobo and watching someone kill things for me takes a few days as opposed to a few weeks, and I can do other things that are not FFXIV in the mean time. You really are out to fulfill that lowest IQ thing, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I gotta ask you guys, why is it that you guys are such sticks in the mud about people not being experienced, instead of simply trying to teach them? I have played multiple MMOs, and I can count on my hands the number of occasions that I ran into people who outright refused to learn.

He's playing poorly and you ask him if he's drunk? Seriously? Do you have any idea how much of a douche you sound like when you say something like that? Approaching someone in an accusing manner and foaming at the mouth is the fastest way to make sure your group turns to s**t.

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THANKYOU! For me, it was the lack of able to get a Dungeon party together that made me nooby at tricks, good example is PoM>Raise & SP>Stoneskin/Protect etc which I only learned by seeing others do this and L1-45 there is a good chance you can miss the opportunity until you are only L50 on your first dungeons, not the players fault IMO.

As for PLing, I don't mind it, if you can't cope with people who do it, blacklist them, they obviously want a very different game to you and its best that EG elitists just stick to their own elitist ways and look down on the rest who don't go through the game the same way you did, best way is to teach people if you see they arent fulfilling their job.

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

Surely they realized once Abbesea hit players started dropping like flies. All their loyal previous subscribers just up and quit once content that had taken them years to finish were being blasted away by Month old's.

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/sarcasm on

this excuse has been shown to be false. nobody left a game because the leveling speed was increased and accomplishments became worthless. it's bs to think anyone would leave a game when they worked on something for a year and then someone else came in and could do it in weeks-months. that just does not happen according to some in this thread.

/sarcasm off

I would say that this is not just an issue with PL, but with the structure of the game.

Me and my brother play casually, and we both duo'd guildleves to 50. Now we are starting to do 'real' stuff but we are somewhat clueless as to what we are supposed to do and we mess up, and feel bad for it too >_>

In other games (like XI) you had to party up, and there things you learned just by parting. Guildeves are just not complex enough to show you how to actually do your job properly.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

yeah, compared to sitting on a chocobo for days on end doing absolutely nothing is so much fun in itself. i will say i have more fun killing mobs than i do sitting on a chocobo watching someone else kill the mob for me.

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What Wolfie said

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

The difference is that sitting on a chocobo and watching someone kill things for me takes a few days as opposed to a few weeks, and I can do other things that are not FFXIV in the mean time. You really are out to fulfill that lowest IQ thing, aren't you?

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weeks? when was the last time you leveled a class?

it takes a few hours to go from 40-50 and that is over 50% of your sp needed to cap a class from scratch.

at least i do know one thing. as long as you are on the forums i will never have the title of the lowest here.