Thornmarch Hard Mode critical bug, SE thinks there's insufficient information.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Basically what it boils down to is cast succor use soil in the current version of the game before the attack goes off.

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so if duty finder puts you with 2 whitemages the whitemages simply have to learn succor and sacred soil to complete the duty ?

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Originally Posted by Rae88

The 1000 HP they got from their additional item level is by itself mitigation.

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They also lost protect which has made every old fight in the game aoe hit much harder than it use to.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Because even at release an unmitigated attack was around 2.5-3k with just protect assuming no stoneskin or shields.

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Even assuming your numbers are correct, which they aren't, an unmitigated attack without stoneskin still shouldn't kill the scholar in the video. Protect is 20% damage reduction, 3000*1.25 =3750, which is less than the scholar's health.

But here's your chance to fudge the numbers even more : )

EDIT: I also don't know how an attack with shields and soil does 2k and without does 3k. Sacred soil is 10%, Succor is 125% a cure potency of 180, so I very much doubt those add up to a thousand extra damage points shielded in that fight with level 50 players TBH. Even with stoneskin ... maybe a thousand on healers. Possibly? MAYBE?

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

so if duty finder puts you with 2 whitemages the whitemages simply have to learn succor and sacred soil to complete the duty ?

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You can reprisal it from the tanks.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You can reprisal it from the tanks.

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Reprisal is 10% damage reduction. Min Ilevel healers are 2800hp. Damage is 3800 hp.

Reprisal takes that down to 3500.

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Originally Posted by Rae88

Reprisal is 10% damage reduction. Min Ilevel healers are 2800hp. Damage is 3800 hp.

Reprisal takes that down to 3500.

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How you get that number? With full left side at i45 without any accessories (i know min ilevel is i54), i still get 3.6k hp. Only explanation I have why his hp was so low in the first place was cuz they didnt wear a hat in the video or some armor piece broke

https://i.imgur.com/Ap2NR19.png
https://ffxiv.ariyala.com/1D0FU

I mean I guess you can strip till you're technically i54 with 1 item but what do you expect at that point?

So yes @Zumi is right. Any mitigation would've sufficed.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I saw it and the thing is the abilities in the game change over time. This is an ARR fight, we do not have protect anymore that cut a lot of damage, we do not have stoneskin which could eat almost the full amount of damage. But we do have sch and ast shields which we can use instead of protect/stoneskin which are not in the game anymore. All the sch had to do was cast succor and use soil and get through the fight. Because even at release an unmitigated attack was around 2.5-3k with just protect assuming no stoneskin or shields.

Basically what it boils down to is cast succor use soil in the current version of the game before the attack goes off.

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Yeah, stoneskin -could- almost eat the full damage back then, because the damage back then was closer to 800, not 3800. Moogle mog is literally doing 3k more damage on his opening attack than pre 5.1, it's a huge difference, and its a straight up bug. Contrast Leviathan, the primal coming right after, doing basically < 1000 damage if you fufill the criteria to not die to his ultimate. Mog is doing nearly 4x on a 'fufilled the anti-death criteria' ultimate then every primal that comes after it. It's a bug, and considering its potential to one-shot people at or close to the min-ilvl, it's clearly not intended.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

They also lost protect which has made every old fight in the game aoe hit much harder than it use to.

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To me it seems like after every expansion you take less and less damage from everything, not more.

While it does become "normal" for phase transition AoEs to be potentially lethal without mitigation stacking at higher levels, having that be the case here is kind of silly when it used to tickle as previously mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Video of it happening

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Working as intended.