the pet job challange

They should just rework Egi summons into being lesser versions of Demi summons, temporary pets with cooldowns. Make the summons in general much more powerful to compensate for the loss of auto attacks from persistent Egi summons. Ifrit, Titan and Garuda still having the role as melee single-target, defensive support and ranged AoE respectively.

Instead of progressing from Bahamut to Phoenix, we pick who we'd want out, both having similar damage this time but with different uses. Bahamut being the raw damage dealer, then Phoenix being the defensive support. Bahamut gets his own FoF/BoP and Egi Assaults serving as more commands to use for them during summoning but as an ogcd. Maybe make it 30 seconds this time instead of 20. Hopefully fixing the Demi summon movement problem and pet response by then.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

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I agree to an extent. I cared more about the gameplay than the flashy aesthetic Summoner has. Stormblood Summoner had so much depth and tactical planning that is just missing in Shadowbringers Summoner. Aetherflow kept all of its toolkits together and it was a good way to progress your rotation. Problem is, I don't exactly miss being able to Summon Bahamut every 2 minutes. It feels way too long of a wait with how bare-bones basic Summoner's GCDs are, plus every other job gets their "ultimate" move much sooner than that. It also puts the job at so much risk from death, not that it's any different right now but still.

Still, I hope in the future we get to choose one Demi summon instead of the 'Bahamut > Phoenix' progression we have now. Assuming they add yet another Demi summon into our rotation in the next expansion, progressing into 3 of them would be too much.

I like see Carbruncle more like familiar and summon more like well just summon. with familiar they be out at all time of combat. summoner can have summon out at same time as they have they familiar out they work different through a summon has limit time be out

summoner familiar gain dps and hp as much as they int. the high the int the longer a prime can be on field maybe this bad ideal but picture you have summon out such Ifrit shiva Garuda and titan. one redo the dots so that summon attack are apply to the summon and the summoner ability just use bain and pain flare and well. one could have it if you summon say one of each summon you can summon behamut or Phoenix. it this trance is more way to achieve a high summon. the summon are limit to 60 second while high summon are limit to 30 second. the summoner familiar has no time limit as does scholar familiar.

one could argue the scholar fairie and scholar could possible have familiar out at same time but since the scholars int is lower then they familiar doesn't get as much hp and dps but fairie get more hp/healing power because of their wisdom.

if Square enix would take the an ideal of trait such ????
it would allow them to use pet jobs skill like int or wisdom and have translate to hp/dps and hp/heal this would great improve scholar and summoner. yet this could be use for other pet jobs aswell

why I like see beast master more as hybrid pet job where you fight side be side with your pet. blizzard already did pokemon game it doesn't turn out very well. if beastmaster if fight side by side with they pet they could come out with a pvp kind arena style game for doing for fun or rare pets or rare spell for blue mage. one could even seen this as for e-sport part of ffxiv

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

You do not want 1 demi-summon every 2 minutes no matter how much variety there is, nor have it be dependent on building up stacks of Aetherflow and Trance. Even a single death was a large setback when we had this system. I agree that Aetherflow is a bit floaty at the moment with it just kind of mostly existing on its own, but it absolutely should not go back to what it was before.

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i absolutely do want a demi summon every 2 mins. i want my demis to be powerspikes not powerbumps . also even though death was punishing, aetherflow made the rotation fluid and flexible it connected everything together and the pay off was worth it, it was fun. I know that not every job need to be hard and punishing but you would expect that the calculating mage would be one of them. old bahamut felt ferocious truly a demi of the calamity dreadwyrm and it showed with how fast it killed stuff. compared to current bahamut there is no contest. to me its a matter of quality over quantity, i want demi summons to be gamechanging i want for those 20 seconds that the demi summon comes out to be the god cause i just summoned the dragon who destroyed the world and he is about to do it again. if that means 2 min demi summons so be it

through the ideal of ranger weild a hand crossbow and have hawk pet would awesome ideal. the ranger would have focus on bleed, frost , and traps.
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and the ideal of Medic weild a pistol and dog would be all so awesome. the medic I my ideal of chemist because what is medic but chemist who understand medicals and drugs that have made help heal. I thought of medic because of Garilon not able use Aether yet I suppect that there is where expansion lie not only this but garelens have huge bulldogs that people want as mounts.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I like see Carbruncle more like familiar and summon more like well just summon. with familiar they be out at all time of combat. summoner can have summon out at same time as they have they familiar out they work different through a summon has limit time be out

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I hope the don't replace the egi's and force us to stick with carbuncle. Carbuncle is so boring compared to the primal-egi's. The one change I would like to see is getting rid of the bahamut -> phoenix phase thing, and just giving us the option to choose between them when the time comes. Phoenix is better for AoE against mobs while bahamut is better for single target. This would also work better foor when they inevitably want to add more summons in later expansions, instead of making the classes rotation even longer, we just get more options to choose from for demis.

Personally I'm really happy with where summoners are at mechanically so any changes should be cosmetic. I'd love for some more egi glamours to include the other "traditional" primals/summons. Another cool cosmetic change I think they could make would be to change some of our spell visuals/animations to include the other primals. So for example Miasma and Bio could be made into Shiva/Diamond dust and Leviathan/Tidal Wave and Energy Drain could be Ramuh/Judgement Bolt.

Mechanically the spells would work exactly the same but visually as a part of the cast animation when we cast those spells we'd summon egi versions of the respective primals and to apply the dot and give us the aetherflow stacks and then they'd disappear. this would further the feeling of us being summoners and the "momentary" summons wouldn't be out of line with the lore IMO. Tri Disaster would summon both at the same time. Could be pushed further to include other primals by changing other spells but imo that might be overkill. ED and the 2 Dots are only cast every 30seconds or so there'd be a little bit of down time between "summons".

Personally I wouldn't want to see the egi system go nor the current egis replaced. I do like having a pet constantly on the field. I'm also not a fan of carbuncle so i'd be annoyed if that became my only option personally (how it is with glamours is good). Any actual gameplay changes or additions, IMO, should be focused on enhancing the trance system. If I were to make any mechanical suggestions I'd like to see Demi-Bahamut merged with Dreadwyrm Trance so it worked more closely to demi-pheonix and firebird trance. Either that or they could change DWT to be a sort of "Egi-trance" where we get an empowered/demi version of our current egi. I'd love to see Odin or Alexander added as the next Demi summons.

I also like how the demi summons rotate are (mostly) the same functionally. This way I get to see the summons more equally. Choosing based on different situations could be cool but I'd be too afraid that certain ones would end up being summoned much more often than others. I like them all getting their turn to be summoned.

If they could somehow transition the ruin spam, egi-assult, and some of the aether stacks spells to be more "summoner" themed I think that'd be cool but I wouldn't want it to be at the expense of the current egi/demi/trance system cause honestly it feels really good IMO and it's fun to play gameplay wise and visually.