SE thanks for making this event not gender locked

I too am happy to have both options, especially since I’m not a monocle person and have a love affair with peaches and their blooms. I need to put together an outfit using the peach blooms because I love it.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

And ya know what? It looks better on them than the default version would without any changes ... which is why they do this kinda stuff.

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What looks better or not is personal preference, so there is no reason for them to do this kind of stuff at all, at least when it comes to aesthetics.

If the flowers are different, then it sounds like it kind of is gender "locked." And again I like the guys' version better.

Oh well again I guess lmfao

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

What looks better or not is personal preference, so there is no reason for them to do this kind of stuff at all, at least when it comes to aesthetics.

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There are design principals that are not ruled by personal preference. Personal Pref refers to what YOU like on a personal level, doesn't mean things can't properly play towards an aesthetic to make a more pleasing visual.

They make changes to things to match the aesthetics of the model/ race/ gender the item is showing on.

If you don't think this flower pin plays better with the male aesthetic than this flower then that's your opinion and IDK how to help you. The Devs who know design clearly thought it works better that way and I see their logic and agree with their call.

The reason they "do this kinda stuff" is so that people who play males can have things that look good on them, flow well with their design and look like what a guy would wear even if it's traditionally seen as female focused. So that they can put on an item and feel good about how it looks on their character. So yeah, making the changes they did made it look like something a dude might wear as opposed to something designed just for girls or women that HAPPENS to be slapped on a dude.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

If you don't think this flower pin plays better with the male aesthetic than this flower then that's your opinion and IDK how to help you. The Devs who know design clearly thought it works better that way and I see their logic and agree with their call.

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No one needs help with their opinions. The female version does look better on males and vice versa if that is what someone thinks.

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The reason they "do this kinda stuff" is so that people who play males can have things that look good on them, flow well with their design and look like what a guy would wear even if it's traditionally seen as female focused.

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If each flower piece was its own glam and a player could choose which to use, none of this would be lost. Flow has nothing to do with locking glams. It's either about purposely restricting choice or lessening the work that the devs have to do. It's their game so either is fair, but there is no benefit to locking glams.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

No one needs help with their opinions. The female version does look better on males and vice versa if that is what someone thinks.

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Don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying I can't help your understanding of aesthetics and design as it's a topic too grand for these post.

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If each flower piece was its own glam and a player could choose which to use, none of this would be lost.

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Why though?
Why does every model with any differences need to be wearable by everyone?
Does this go for race to?
Does a boy elezen need to be able to wear the helm of a boy kitty?

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Flow has nothing to do with locking glams. It's either about purposely restricting choice or lessening the work that the devs have to do. It's their game so either is fair, but there is no benefit to locking glams.

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.... Wut are you even talking about anymore?
I was trying to explain why the version on the male was made to look that way (cause it looks like something a guy might want to wear that looks good on them.) So because they made changes to a design to make it look good on dudes they have to then allow females to use that exact same model?

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

No, it's literally just making design changes to make something look more appealing/ nature for a gender.

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And those design changes can drastically - and in the case of the crowns, arbitrarily - change how the item can be used.

I agree there is a very long history of things being designed as "gender-tailored" counterparts, but there is no consistency between the degree of difference and whether they are presented as two gender-locked items or one unisex item that changes appearance.

e.g. the Moonfire Vest and Moonfire Halter are the exact same shirt with the necessary addition of a bikini top for the female version, but the single-item Endless Summer Top is entirely different based on character gender.

There's nothing wrong with making counterparts where each design suits the gender and is modelled to fit them, because the male and female body pieces do need to be modelled separately regardless. (Though I don't like the approach they often take of making the female version of clothes more revealing - but that's a separate argument.)

But hats fit everyone and there's nothing really specific about those crowns. They could have been made into two separate items - say, "Flower Crown" and "Daisy Crown" - and make both available to everyone. They wouldn't need any extra modelling work and, as you say, flower hairpins are usually unisex without any modification.

Having had a better look at both versions of the peach corsage, the choice of different flowers is a bit strange but, as I wrote previously, the degree of difference is not the same. Both versions are pink and have the same overall shape. You dye it blue, and both versions turn blue.

You might not see a difference, but clearly a number of other people do.



Also, re. something you said yesterday...

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

1- This game's devs have given yall zero reason to think that flowers are too "feminine" for men in their eyes.

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I would say the quest itself gives us reason to think that the rewards would be gendered. Look at how they're given out in the quest: peach corsages for the three girls (nothing for Hyuran Boy) and the monocle for Damielliot.

There's also the names of the items themselves: princess's corsage and seneschal's monocle - particularly as "seneschal" has previously been used for the male-exclusive counterpart to the Songbird dress.



To be clear: yes, I agree the corsages are noticeably different between the genders - but unlike the crowns, I don't think the difference has a significant impact on the overall look of the item. Especially if you're not looking up close but just seeing from a distance that they have a coloured flower pin that matches their outfit.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

If you don't think this flower pin plays better with the male aesthetic than this flower then that's your opinion and IDK how to help you. The Devs who know design clearly thought it works better that way and I see their logic and agree with their call.

The reason they "do this kinda stuff" is so that people who play males can have things that look good on them, flow well with their design and look like what a guy would wear even if it's traditionally seen as female focused. So that they can put on an item and feel good about how it looks on their character. So yeah, making the changes they did made it look like something a dude might wear as opposed to something designed just for girls or women that HAPPENS to be slapped on a dude.

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The problem with this is now that I have seen the male flower pin up close...I actually prefer it to the female version. But I can't access it unless I fantasia. Yay.

I don't like that the devs keep deciding what men and women should be wearing. Just let everyone wear what they want regardless of gender. Let everyone have the same choices in outfits no matter what their character is.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Well this event did it right because players like the female version, duh. Same with Moonfire Happis and Songbird Attire. It's never been about gender locking, just envy.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The problem with this is now that I have seen the male flower pin up close...I actually prefer it to the female version. But I can't access it unless I fantasia. Yay.

I don't like that the devs keep deciding what men and women should be wearing. Just let everyone wear what they want regardless of gender. Let everyone have the same choices in outfits no matter what their character is.

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Dammit, I spoke too soon.

It's good that both genders can wear both itemes, but the fact that the flowers are different between genders is a complete waste of dev time.

It's just as stupid as last years flower crown and I don't understand why they are doing it. As if "three flowers with narrow petals" is more male or female than "five flowers with wider petals". The difference is just dumb as hell and baits complaints from people who prefer the other style.