I am pleased with the current difficulty of many things in XIV.
The monster ranking system in XI is an antiquated system that does not work in XIV. Even Tanaka said before the game launched that fighting several monsters gives a better feeling of heroism and adventure than fighting one mob over and over again. I find that his view on this is one of the incredibly RARE things I agree with. Fighting a single mob in the same spot over and over again, as in XI, is just mindless.
As Clair stated, leveling speed does not equal difficulty. Many XI fanatics cannot get this through their incredibly thick skulls. I have no idea why, but it simply doesn't mesh with their brains. We should be encouraging SE to make challenging content that doesn't involve sitting in the same camp, killing one mob at a time, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, simply because it is what you did in XI.
We also don't need a level cap increase. We don't need it in the next patch, we certainly don't need it before 2.0, and still even after 2.0 it should not happen. SE needs to focus on character progression content. Grinding, simply to grind, is not content. It's just monotony filled time wasting.
If you're at level 12, like your profile states, you really have just started to experience content outside of the "beginner" realm. In fact, you're still in it. I certainly don't try to engage 3 mobs on higher level levequests at the same time. I certainly cannot solo 5 level 50 mobs. If you could, you wouldn't see people trying to party for Natalan, or the new job quests, or literally anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noblewar
If you wan't a difficulty increase, nothing is stopping you from killing monsters HIGHER than your level, so you get that same punishingly difficult and masochistic filled XI experience that you so desperately desire and want to impose on every other player.
Stop white knighting XI just because you cannot let it go.
FFXI vs FFXIV Difficulty
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03-26-2012, 12:49 AMTibian
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03-26-2012, 01:18 AMNoblewarThanks for explaining it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clair
Its just as someone said, in FFXIV people are leveling everything because its easy not because its a challenge. In FFXI it was a challenge to level everything.
The problem with MMO's is that people want to solo them. If you don't believe that at least 90% of whats in an MMO should be done in a party then you really don't want an MMO. SOLO play should be an option for when you cant find a group to party or something but it should not be the main focus to any MMO game.
There is no party base due to lack of difficulty. The difference between a party and soloing right now is that you have 6-7 other people soloing a monster giving you free exp.
I'm not saying the grind is the only way to determine a games difficulty but the game as a whole is lacking difficulty hard! Not only can you get to 50 in two weeks but you can "finish" everything there is to do at 50 in another two weeks.
Part of what keeps people playing an MMO is the accomplishment on getting what they want. If they get everything they want in a month the game will start filling up with a lot of complains about how there isn't enough end game. Can you believe that? People already complaining about there not being enough end game! You know why? Because they obtained everything so easily already that they don't have to keep on trying to get it. -
03-26-2012, 01:22 AMPlatinumstorm
The game will not succeed in gaining new players if players are bound to groups to do everything ala the FFXI mechanisms. Furthermore, if every mob needs a group to kill, ala FFXI, then it's going to encourage the reproduction of the much maligned static groups where players pull the mob.... over.. and.. over..... and................ oh my, did I just fall asleep and accidentally hit the unsubscribe button at the same time? Even just thinking about static groups made me get drowsy.
Tedium from waiting to form a group just so you can gain a little bit of experience isn't fun.
Standing around aimlessly waiting for mana regeneration isn't fun, either.
A better way to improve combat in the game is adding intricacy to the classes.
I'm all about difficulty, mind you, but difficulty needs to be in appropriate places to foster a good game environment. -
03-26-2012, 02:26 AMSephrickNo it wasn't. It just took longer. That doesn't mean it was any more challenging.Quote:
Its just as someone said, in FFXIV people are leveling everything because its easy not because its a challenge. In FFXI it was a challenge to level everything.
The only challenge in XI was being the one to have claim over content -- whether it be an ideal exp camp, an HNM or a Dynamis zone. -
03-26-2012, 02:45 AMRaistlin
the problem here is that leveling to max HAVE to be longer, because is needed that every one focus on their character main class, Is not a way that casual players can level up every class in the game coz you can level up from 1 to 50 in 2 days (first day PL to 40, next day stronghold party to 50.)
I know people loves free things, but is not about what u want, is about what we need to this game be a sucess. Leveling is an important part of an MMO, the time u need to use to leveling a class to max level make you think about what class you like to play most. fast leveling broke totally the RPG terms in mmoRPG. -
03-26-2012, 02:48 AMRydin
I do agree that leveling is really fast these days....
Yoshi said (I don't feel like finding the quote, so take it or not..) a person playing casually, 5-10 hours a week should be able to cap a class in 6-8 weeks or something in that area... If I am mistaken, it is something close to that number
thats like 50 hours or so to cap a class...
I'd like to see it take more but that doesn't mean its wrong... I would just prefer it the other way....
Comparing it to FFXI though... You really can't compare FFXIV's 50 with FFXI's 75.... -
03-26-2012, 02:53 AMPlatinumstormLeveling is a mechanic in games to make the player feel like they're progressing and in an MMO aligns them with content specific to what their level is. The most important part of the MMO is making sure there is content to enjoy the leveling; not repeatedly boring yourself with the same kind of mob over and over [and I realize you didn't say that].Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
The game needs dungeons, multiple stories, things like that so the leveling is a great journey and not just looked at arbitrarily. That's what's really going to bring success to FFXIV, not a speed being too fast or too slow to leveling. -
03-26-2012, 03:07 AMRydin
I think perhaps Yoshi isn't making it easy for the sake of being easy....
Maybe he feels the end should justify the means
Consider this:
If every game publication.. every review site... every gamer friend of yours, every blog... If every one said a certain game had endgame that was so epic...so insanely good that it deserved universal praise... The cutscenes looked better than real life... the voice acting was Oscar worthy... the end boss was super tough rewarding and amazing... the fight mechanics were so next gen... the strategy required would make the Pentagon cringe... It was like Navy seals, wrapped in Jedi, sprinkled with Sephiroth's ashes...
but..
It took 6 months of leveling 6-8 hours a day to even get to do this fight....
People might complain about the amount of time needed... but they'd do it.. damn it even the most casual players would be out grinding their hearts out...
And thats the thing... maybe Yoshi knows there isn't much to see right now at end game... so giving players this epic, long arduous tedious journey is not the best call right now -
03-26-2012, 04:24 AMPlatinumstormQuote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
I wouldn't. I want the entire process to be entertaining, not just the end phase. -
03-26-2012, 04:28 AMRydinwell yea... thats the most ideal scenario... enjoying it from start to finishQuote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
I was just posing a hypothetical question to prove a point....