SE Please Sell Gil

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Originally Posted by grey1234

The game already is "P2W." You can buy fully leveled characters and quest completions. It doesn't get any more P2W than that. I'm not against it really, I'd never do it, but we're already there. And IMHO, yes I'd rather see "P2W" Gil sales on the mogstation than have this game ruined by bots.

Of course, I'd rather see SE actually do something about bots and not sell Gil! But that is never going to happen, so I'm trying to mitigate here.

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Getting people to the most recent expansion with mediocre gear is really tame as far as P2W goes, it definitely does get more P2W than that.

Being able to buy gil actually affects the top end of the game, when people are able to buy all the materia/crafting mats they would ever need on day 1 of a patch to help them progress quicker, and end up completely destroying economies for non-$$payers.

Being able to buy levels hardly affects anyone else beyond "why doesn't this guy know how to play his class?", which could easily be the case from just doing PotD spam anyway.

100 pages incoming.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Level boost,Story skips or this Gil boost don't fall under p2w

Not like any of this clears stuff for you

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technically they do. so do additional retainers in some ways..

Pay-to-Win is any micro transaction that gives you an in game advantage over players who don't pay.

so level boosts, quest skips, even additional retainers are all pay to win because you all give you an advantage over other players.

retainers give you more space to sell stuff thus an advantage on the markets and opportunity to earn money at an increased rate. plus gather fater if you have like 8 mining retainers or something compared to a person with just 2...

story skips and quest jumps offer some fairly obvious advantages to players. especially with how laborious arr msq is

There's enough P2W stuff already to this request join the catalog.

- Leveling Potions: Any P2W game sells Leveling Boost to give you advantage in comparison to Standard players, in FFXIV SQEX sells not EXP boosts, but your Job "fully" leveled already.
- Quest Potions: Like said above, in this situation you have advantage in Quest progression in comparison to a Standard players paying for that.
- Extra Retainers: Especially for Crafters, this is a Huge P2W feature, you can obtain extra/faster mats by Retainer Ventures, Extra Slots ( like any P2W game that sells Extra Slots to your account ), and way more MB power over Standard Players.
- Companion Premium: Gives to you extra Drops, acess management and more Extra Slots as well if you pay for the service in comparison to Standard users.

So i would be glad if SQEX don't start to sell Gil as well, that way i wouldn't be surprise if SQEX start to sell Mats or Equipments at Mogstation, that's the only thing left they must to do to FFXIV become a complete P2W game, because 80% of P2W stuff is already a reality. Not to mention that 9 out 10 new items released like Mount and Glamour Stuff is already Mogstation only.

The only way to stop RMT players are shutting down game servers forever.

It has yet to reach the level of ridiculousness that FFXI had.. they weren't bots though, they were actual players, actively competing against HMNLS's and whatnot, and totally owning the market for several big ticket items, not to mention, their gil prices were dirt cheap, so buyers would crash the market by buying up everything. SE would go to embark on long term campaign to combat RMT, making several pop items and all kinds of things to curbstomp RMT. This took YEARS.

The bots aren't really doing much in the game besides breaking the laws of physics and holding AK hostage.

This worked in WoW and Guild Wars 2.

WoW you can buy a 1 month sub token on the cash shop and sell it in game for game gold. That lets players buy gold, and it also lets other players buy their sub with in game currency. The paired nature of these two keeps RMT sellers from being able to easily undercut it.

Guild Wars sells “gems” on its cash shop. In game you either buy gem only items with the gems (mounts, glamours, boosts)... or you sell the gems for gold. And other people can buy gems with gold...
- again the paired nature keeps the price constantly in flux with an automated algorithm that keeps RMT sellers from being able to easily undercut it...

The number of bots is really quite distracting as of late - not sure if it's because they added in some kind of rudimentary teleportation check, but the bots are far more visible and it completely destroys immersion and the fantasy setting (i.e. the whole point of playing a RPG) seeing scrabble bag characters flying around and popping under the map.

The 'ban wave' strategy has failed, it's equivalent to doing nothing. There's plenty of solutions proposed by the community, but at the end of the day I believe SE underestimates the discouraging impact seeing these bots has on players, and it will affect retention and playerbase numbers in the long term if they continue their legacy of inaction. For every vocal minority (OP) there are dozens of players fed up with the unfairness and injustice of the ongoing problem. Few people will want to play a multiplayer game where cheaters are so blatantly dismissed and rewarded for their misdeeds.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

This worked in WoW and Guild Wars 2.

WoW you can buy a 1 month sub token on the cash shop and sell it in game for game gold. That lets players buy gold, and it also lets other players buy their sub with in game currency. The paired nature of these two keeps RMT sellers from being able to easily undercut it.

Guild Wars sells “gems” on its cash shop. In game you either buy gem only items with the gems (mounts, glamours, boosts)... or you sell the gems for gold. And other people can buy gems with gold...
- again the paired nature keeps the price constantly in flux with an automated algorithm that keeps RMT sellers from being able to easily undercut it...

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The problem with gw2 was they also modified drop rates to encourage gem buying to get mats for things because they had such an absurdly low drop rate

Pay to win aside: If gil is generated every time someone purchases it then it would create an inflation problem. (edit: unless they introduce a system where gil isn't just generated)

I would rather them do the final fantasy 8 way.

make you do tasks and get a pay check after so many tasks are done.

like example defeat said bosses.
collect items
beat dungeons

after so many you get paid.