Dots and SkS/SpS

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Originally Posted by Umsche

You said SAM needed skillspeed for AoE, someone provided some calculated as to why it was not needed, I don't know SAM, but I'm curious if it is really needed or not, can you help me understand your point ?

EDIT : from what I got by rereading your first messages, you said SAM needed way too much Skillspeed, but then saying it needed 914, with the lvl 80 stuff, I don't find this to be very high.

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It isn't what I say we neeeded
Mosai said it is 922 but last I check 914 is the threashold for 2.44 gcd.
and it isn't only for aoe.

btw I grew tired of these talk that make me repeat what I say over and over. Sorry, but I'm gonna drop it now. Don't feel like I would ever get anything from this.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Not at all? Both Oka and Mangetsu refresh your haste and damage buff

Also how is 914 skill speed be considered 'too much'?



No to this too. Can you actually give some example?

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Leviathan.
If you're too slow, you can't midare before he does the second malstorm.
You can also get and extra gcd before he does malstorm for both which is a DPS gain.
You comfortably apply your nana before the puddle drops on you as well to get another gcd.
You can also fit the midare before he drops puddles just before tsu 2, and that's the midare under a pot.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Leviathan.
If you're too slow, you can't midare before he does the second malstorm.
You can also get and extra gcd before he does malstorm for both which is a DPS gain.
You comfortably apply your nana before the puddle drops on you as well to get another gcd.
You can also fit the midare before he drops puddles just before tsu 2, and that's the midare under a pot.

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Quoted the wrong person. Lol on mobile.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Leviathan.
If you're too slow, you can't midare before he does the second malstorm.

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This is more likely uptime problem than skill speed.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

You can also get and extra gcd before he does malstorm for both which is a DPS gain.

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Same as above. Higher skill speed will make getting extra shifu easier but that's it.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

You comfortably apply your nana before the puddle drops on you as well to get another gcd.

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I usually Higanbana after the puddles drop to minimize dot clipping

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

You can also fit the midare before he drops puddles just before tsu 2, and that's the midare under a pot.

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I don't pot at that moment but I can still midare just fine before the puddles drop just before underseaquake finished casting.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

This is more likely uptime problem than skill speed.

Same as above.

I usually Higanbana after the puddles drop to minimize dot clipping

I don't pot at that moment but I can still midare just fine before the puddles drop just before underseaquake finished casting.

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1. No, it's sks. But could be clipping somewhere as well. Because sometimes I'm ahead in gcd, other times I'm not.

2. I do it after puddles drop as well but it's better to do it before if you can to gain more gcd, which is possible with more sks to do it more comfortably.

3. You should pot there. It's when your ST guren is up :o which is the stronger part of your reopener.
Gonna assume you do it after second mal?

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

1. No, it's sks. But could be clipping somewhere as well. Because sometimes I'm ahead in gcd, other times I'm not.

2. I do it after puddles drop as well but it's better to do it before if you can to gain more gcd, which is possible with more sks to do it more comfortably.

3. You should pot there. It's when your ST guren is up :o which is the stronger part of your reopener.
Gonna assume you do it after second mal?

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1. I'm sure it's not. Maybe we're doing stuff in different order but I'll upload a clip later to show you that you can comfortably midare before second maelstrom
3. I pot a bit after Stormy Horizon, after both Temporary Current, it catches pre-Higan Midare, Higanbana, Senei, and 2x Midare after.

Edit: Here it is, https://streamable.com/yxolp

As for whether you're ahead in CD or not, I think this is more of an encounter thing, kinda like fast/slow enrage in E4S. I noticed this happened to me sometimes too.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

1. I'm sure it's not. Maybe we're doing stuff in different order but I'll upload a clip later to show you that you can comfortably midare before second maelstrom
3. I pot a bit after Stormy Horizon, after both Temporary Current, it catches pre-Higan Midare, Higanbana, Senei, and 2x Midare after.

Edit: Here it is, https://streamable.com/yxolp

As for whether you're ahead in CD or not, I think this is more of an encounter thing, kinda like fast/slow enrage in E4S. I noticed this happened to me sometimes too.

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Hmm Odd. Not sure how you got to that point of the rotation so quickly. Where you did your bana, I normally doing it as the puddles is about to drop. (not the aoe in the middle)
if I had to guess, maybe you're closer to him after malstorm 1 or something.

*Edit*
Oh you know what it is, I think I'm doing double yuki more than you are. I took a peek at your logs and I did 47 yuki and you only did 40.
its because you're slower than I am so you're able to just flow through your rotation.
HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO PLAY THAT SLOW SAM, its painful XD

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

its because you're slower than I am so you're able to just flow through your rotation.
HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO PLAY THAT SLOW SAM, its painful XD

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Well, that's kinda my point. You can do just fine with 28 GCDs rotation, you can do just fine with 30 GCDs rotation.
In fact, I'm sure the 30 GCDs rotation is the reason why 5.05 Hagakure is so weak, because otherwise it'd just be outright better than 28 GCDs one due to extra GCDs and even more Kenki.

It's a matter of taste at this point. I chose to go with 28 because it's easier to gear up for me.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Well, that's kinda my point. You can do just fine with 28 GCDs rotation, you can do just fine with 30 GCDs rotation.
In fact, I'm sure the 30 GCDs rotation is the reason why 5.05 Hagakure is so weak, because otherwise it'd just be outright better than 28 GCDs one due to extra GCDs and even more Kenki.

It's a matter of taste at this point. I chose to go with 28 because it's easier to gear up for me.

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You you proven me wrong in that case. Though I think being faster is still stronger than being slower imo.
Comparing our logs I did more dps than you and I don't have my 475 wep yet, though I did clear it about 10secs faster.

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

Well, that's kinda my point. You can do just fine with 28 GCDs rotation, you can do just fine with 30 GCDs rotation.
In fact, I'm sure the 30 GCDs rotation is the reason why 5.05 Hagakure is so weak, because otherwise it'd just be outright better than 28 GCDs one due to extra GCDs and even more Kenki.

It's a matter of taste at this point. I chose to go with 28 because it's easier to gear up for me.

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Yeah you proven me wrong in that case. Though I think being faster is still stronger than being slower imo.
Comparing our logs I did more dps than you and I don't have my 475 wep yet, though not by much.
Its most likely me DH'ing more and stuff, you got a orange so at that point its mostly just lucky crts and DH.