WHM DPS needs to stay this high.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

You know I've said it before and I'll say it again, the reason WHMs complained about SCH and AST is because they brought raid utility and WHM were pure-healers, but why was this even the case? AST is a buff-class base with the ability to switch between WHM regen and SCH shield secondary modes with its stances, and SCH was a shielding base with the ability to pull out a WHM regen support or an AST buff support fairy (RIP Selene). What has been stopping them from implementing a role switch mechanic for WHM? If the problem was utility, then bring back Cleric Stance and change it to do something similar, like when activated spells that apply a regen would instead apply a Haste buff or something. Haste is a staple WHM spell so I default to that, but it could be some other type of buff if they wanted, and it would give WHM an interesting choice to make inline with the Eos/Selene decision.

S-E shouldn't be afraid to let healers buff. It is not only easier, but much more fun to design class identity around different buff applications than it is trying to balance classes that can buff with one that can't. Let AST cards be powerful, let Selene exist again, and let WHMs have something similar to their old mode-change decision back.

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the problem is that devs refuse to give any utility or buffs or even debuffs that work on bosses too for whm, they want to stay in that whm is pure healer, that why if whm stay pure healer he/she should deal most damage of all healers

I mean, they could give WHM all the utility they want, but all that matters is how much it increases raid DPS.

No one cares about Temperance's damage reduction or Asylum's generic healing boost unless it can save a healing GCD, and an extra Glare is just an extra Glare.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

Unfortunately, the wait and see statement fits here. I know people hate it, but it applies. They have already informed us that the difficulty would be at this level prior to the expansion dropping. They wanted to give everyone until 5.1 to get used to the class/battle system changes.

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They explicitly mentioned the level of the first tier of eden as being on par with Creator. So basically the same as it was in SB. No need to wait and see. Nothing is going to be any different.

I find it hilarious that YoshiP once made a very vague statement along the lines of "oh you noticed something different about damage but I want to reassure everyone it won't be a big change they shouldn't worry" and so many people jumped on that as meaning there would be more healing. Same people never even stopped for a second and asked themselves how much more healing would be required to make sense of the changes because if they did they would see it's impossible that they would push things that far

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Originally Posted by EaMett

They explicitly mentioned the level of the first tier of eden as being on par with Creator. So basically the same as it was in SB. No need to wait and see. Nothing is going to be any different.

I find it hilarious that YoshiP once made a very vague statement along the lines of "oh you noticed something different about damage but I want to reassure everyone it won't be a big change they shouldn't worry" and so many people jumped on that as meaning there would be more healing. Same people never even stopped for a second and asked themselves how much more healing would be required to make sense of the changes because if they did they would see it's impossible that they would push things that far

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I find it funny that people can’t extrapolate. I mean do they have to spell out every little detail? Give it until 5.1 and see if the difficulty increases and the required healing increases. They stated they wanted healers to have to heal more than they had been doing. He did state he didn’t want healer to think that it meant they would not be able dps and that healing would become “to stressful”. He then offered that the first tier of eden would be similar in difficulty as Creator to “give people a chance to get use to the changes.” Logic would dictate that if they are waiting on boosting the requirements of one they are waiting to boost everything else. Also, all of the changes to the healers kits make very little sense unless they planned to boost the healing requirements. If they fail to change anything in heal requirements at that time complain. If they only tweak the raids up slightly then complain. But complaining about difficulty is a bit premature at the moment as we already know prior to 5.1 absolutely nothing was changing in those regards.

P.S. I do have expectations that healing reqs will increase. I am, however, under no illusions that the healing reqs will ramp up so much that medium skilled players or above will only have to heal. I just expect that they will change the heal time to dps time ratio that the average healer is capable of maintaining.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Let's just keep moving the goalposts. I'm excited to see when people start telling me that it will only be difficult in Ultimate.

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I’m not moving the goal post at all. Only going on what info was given to us. If they fail to boost the heal requirements come 5.1 then their change to the heal kits truly make no sense to me. They only make sense when you expect having to heal more.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

They only make sense when you expect having to heal more.

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I think the changes also make sense from the perspective of the devs just not understanding healers and the healer community at all.

Whm should absolutely do more damage than the other healers. SE has been adamant in having whm be the “pure healer” of the three, hence no real raid utility. As result, I do believe they should do more damage than the other two to make up for their lack of utility. It’s only right for the sake of balance. Healers that offer damage buffs in any form should not do more damage than the one who has nothing but healing and damage to give. To have damage on par with whm AND increase the dps of the party is not balanced. That just pushes whm away all over again, and that is not what we want.

We have to give and take. We can’t have our cake and eat it too. Whm needs an advantage over the other healers other than just mp management. And I would rather them have the personal dps advantage rather than just tacking a raid buff or so into them just because the others have buffs. I really don’t want more homogenization.

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Originally Posted by althenawhm

I think the changes also make sense from the perspective of the devs just not understanding healers and the healer community at all.

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It's been pretty obvious since HW that the devs don't understand healers. If them literally not giving us a healer for 2 expansions because the healer scene was so bad doesn't tell you that, nothing will.

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Originally Posted by Feidam

I find it funny that people can’t extrapolate. I mean do they have to spell out every little detail? Give it until 5.1 and see if the difficulty increases and the required healing increases.

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Wait until release!

Wait until you're 80!

Wait until 5.1!

Wait until the first raid tier!

Few jobs have been waiting for years and still have issues.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

It's been pretty obvious since HW that the devs don't understand healers. If them literally not giving us a healer for 2 expansions because the healer scene was so bad doesn't tell you that, nothing will.

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And many of the decisions regarding healers they have made are ridiculously questionable.

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Originally Posted by LadyKairi

We have to give and take. We can’t have our cake and eat it too. Whm needs an advantage over the other healers other than just mp management. And I would rather them have the personal dps advantage rather than just tacking a raid buff or so into them just because the others have buffs. I really don’t want more homogenization.

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You call great healing, best damage, no MP management and great dungeon utility in Holy not having your cake and eating it too?

As a AST Main my concern right now is not our dps its our healing. Which is god awful and makes running 4 mans painful, I love the new 4 mans and want to run them more but wont until our healing gets a buff.