The finalized 5.0 healer changes revealed (links)

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I feel like S-E is trying to push SCH to have two healing modes and to rotate between. Dissipation is a lot more palatable now due to both the nerf in Embrace potency and the fact you get the the fairy back afterwards. So you want to use Dissipation when pet abilities / Seraph are on CD to help push more healing with SCH.

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Main issue with this is that basically every SCH healing skill is an ability and not affected by Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Michiko

Looking at all the Astro changes.. I wonder.. does anyone on square's side actually play or have tried to play Astro itself? I find it puzzling how our malefic potencies get a nerf.. but that 3/3/6% won't actually make up for it in any way unless they've literally changed the damage formula. So things in the overworld and solo questing stuff, will not take even longer to kill? Cause even before 5.0, it would generally take 4-5 Malefics to kill 1 lv60 monster at lv70. and these were the beastman daily spawns which usually have reduced HP.. O.o just.. wow..

At least our cures got a little boost, fat good that will do with the 10k mp limit.. seems that 10-12 cures = out of gas now. Also confused on their logic for the aspected Helios changes.. the cure gets a nerf to potency but we keep the 250% shield if we go nocturnal?? at a whopping 1100mp? I suspect alot of this stuff will get tweaked in 5.1

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10 potency. Malefic lost TEN potency. You know whats probably worth more than 10 potency? A near permanent 8% +Damage buff that we can now keep on ourselves thanks to the card changes. So literally no change or a very very minor damage buff at worse. Combust got it worse, going from 50p to 35p. Made up again slightly by the Card buff, but not quite as much.

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unless they've literally changed the damage formula.

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It has been stated multiple times by Yoshi-P that the combat formulas DID in fact change. They've been warning us about it for a long time that Potencies seen in ShB reveals can't be properly compared to 4.x Potencies because of that.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Main issue with this is that basically every SCH healing skill is an ability and not affected by Dissipation.

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Dissipation, Temperance and Neutral Sect have the exact same wording {Increases Healing Magic Potencies by 20%}. So if SCHs Abilities aren't affected, neither are the WHM's and ASTs from their version of it. Limiting the effectiveness of their respective buffs to beefing up Cure/Physik/Benefic and Helios/Medica/Succor.
If it doesn't affect Abilities in ShB, it affects all the healers not just SCH. All 3 Healers have powerful Abilities, not just SCH.

If SCH's recitation skill makes it so that excog and indom don't consume an aetherflow stack, does that mean they won't generate any faerie gauge either, while recitation is active?

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Dissipation, Temperance and Neutral Sect have the exact same wording {Increases Healing Magic Potencies by 20%}. So if SCHs Abilities aren't affected, neither are the WHM's and ASTs from their version of it. Limiting the effectiveness of their respective buffs to beefing up Cure/Physik/Benefic and Helios/Medica/Succor.
If it doesn't affect Abilities in ShB, it affects all the healers not just SCH. All 3 Healers have powerful Abilities, not just SCH.

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SCH: Physick, Adloquium, Succor.
WHM: Cure, Medica, Cure II, Regen, Cure III, Medica II, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture
AST: Benefic, Helios, Benefic II, Aspected Benefic, Aspected Helios.

I see a difference in the number of affected skills there.

I decided to check something.

SCH: Lustrate, Sacred Soil, Indomitability, Excogitation, And literally everything the faerie does.
WHM: Benediction (Ha ha), Asylum, Assize, Tetragrammaton, Divine Benison (I guess? Unsure how new skill would count), Plenary Indulgence.
AST: Essential Dignity, Collective Unconscious, Celestial Opposition, Earthly Star, Celestial Intersection, Horoscope (Maybe?)

All unaffected skills.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Does Recitation work for 1 cast only or the full 15 seconds? The tooltip reads as though it works for the duration.

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There is no way on Hydelaen it's be allowed for the full 15 seconds. It'd be BUSTED if that were the case.

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Originally Posted by Lannybaby

If SCH's recitation skill makes it so that excog and indom don't consume an aetherflow stack, does that mean they won't generate any faerie gauge either, while recitation is active?

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The tooltips read as though the Faerie Gauge is generated on use of the skill, not specifically consumption of a Stack.

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The Faerie Gauge increases when a faerie or Seraph is summoned and an Aetherflow action is successfully executed while in combat.

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This specific line on Fae Union indicates the Gauge goes up when the skill is executed, regardless of the Aetherflow.
Though the old tooltip only specifies that it must be an Aetherflow action and must inflict an effect on a target.
Since we've never had a method to use an AF action without using a stack, I'm not sure we can know for certain how Recitation is going to affect it.

Does Recitation work for 1 cast only or the full 15 seconds? The tooltip reads as though it works for the duration.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

SCH: Physick, Adloquium, Succor.
WHM: Cure, Medica, Cure II, Regen, Cure III, Medica II, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture
AST: Benefic, Helios, Benefic II, Aspected Benefic, Aspected Helios.

I see a difference in the number of affected skills there.

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I didn't feel like listing out every GCD heal since since I was mainly pointing out that GCD heals are the only ones affected.

Since Dissipation puts the Fairy away … Of course the Fairy doesn't benefit?

My point is that when using our respective Healing Potency boost, only the GCD heals are affected. As such, ALL Healers are impacted if the buff doesn't get extended to Abilities. Some more than others and I never said otherwise.
Dissipation is underpowered in general because it shunts the Fairy away. Being locked out of Fairy Healing is more detrimental than the potency buff covers. Especially in ShB with so much of the new stuff being built around the Fairy.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

There is no way on Hydelaen it's be allowed for the full 15 seconds. It'd be BUSTED if that were the case.

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No more busted than Temperance being a party DR and Healing boost in one button.
Nor Neutral Sect offering Regens AND Shields on Aspected casts.
15 seconds of free Adloq crits would just be fun :P

Only reason I even considered it might last full duration is its resemblance to Reassemble, which specifies only the NEXT weaponskill gets a Crit. Same with Sharpcast specifying the NEXT spell will get a bonus. Whereas Recitation simply states that it has a duration of 15 seconds and:

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Allows the execution of Adloquium, Succor, Indomitability, or Excogitation without consuming resources while also ensuring critical HP is restored.

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If it was a one shot deal, shouldn't it specify only the next one cast gets the benefit, in the same way all similar skills are worded?

Heeeeey Urianger... Alphinaud... you two are looking like mighty fine. How about you join my party so I forget about healing. Much better option.

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Originally Posted by Yulja

You are right but Sacred Soil only has Regen in ShB as far as I remember correctly?

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ah yes after re reading it sacred soil does not gain its regen effect until lv78. still better in every way to Collective Unconscious and it gives fairy gauge which helps sch more XD

so any lv78+ schs if i don't see sacred soil every 30s while fighting you better be dancing the manderville mambo

I wondering, why Whm didn't get a Lily consuming dps spell. Transcendent Afflatus: Adds a Blood Lily to the Healing Gauge that blooms after three uses of Afflatus Solace or Afflatus Rapture.
There is not always a use for healing. Getting up the Blood Lily for Afflatus Misery can result in useless overheal.

It's all ok. They fixed dissipation to be in combat only.

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Originally Posted by Sieben79

I wondering, why Whm didn't get a Lily consuming dps spell. Transcendent Afflatus: Adds a Blood Lily to the Healing Gauge that blooms after three uses of Afflatus Solace or Afflatus Rapture.
There is not always a use for healing. Getting up the Blood Lily for Afflatus Misery can result in useless overheal.

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You have 90 seconds to spend 3 Lilies. No one is going to go a full 90 seconds in combat with zero party damage taken.