loot system for 24 man should use tokens in Shadowbringers

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

That's not really true. Because you're limited to 1 piece of gear a week, all a token system does is reduce the number of times you have to run it. You would still earn gear at the same rate (or even slower if they did 1 week for minor pieces and 2 weeks for major pieces).

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Which is exactly the point that the person you're quoting is trying to make?

Instead of someone running it 9-10 times a week, they'd just be running it once a week. So activity would be at it's highest at the start of the week, and then it'd go down over the course of the week.

They want you running the duties over and over for gear... it's part of the plan. I sincerely doubt they'll be changing this anytime soon. It's not just 24 man it relates to dungeon gear in general.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

It might help if the game kept track of what jobs are in your party. It's pretty annoying when half of the chests you open has Ninja gear in it but nobody in your group plays Ninja

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You might still want this ninja piece though. I was RDM in my Orbonne run this week and did get this DRG piece i wanted, with no DRG in my group at all.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

So everyone has to run the content just once a week to get the token and not several times to get the loot they want? Yeah looks that i'm wrong and the content will be longer alive then ever.

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Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware you always win the roll for tokens from Alphascape the first time. >_>

The suggestion was for it to work like Alphascape, so you would still need to run multiple times until you GET your token.

Furthermore, your claim was that we would earn gear faster, which I was correctly pointing out that you wouldn't. You'd actually earn it slightly slower if it was the same style as Alphascape.

I much prefer the loot style of the 24-man raids over the 8-man raids. Running as the job you want the gear on gives you a nice boost in your chances of actually winning a piece of gear where as with the 8 man it's a free-for-all. I imagine if someone is using only the raid drops to gear up a character, it's going to possibly be annoying as you may not see that very specific piece of gear drop, but I've always used it to supplement the other methods, so no big deal really.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

So everyone has to run the content just once a week to get the token and not several times to get the loot they want? Yeah looks that i'm wrong and the content will be longer alive then ever.

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No? You're still rolling against 7 other people for any given token. Unless you are really, really blessed by rng (or running in a premade), you will probably have to run more than once to get the token you want. Like, in the 8 man raid, do you always win the shaft in your first run of O12n? Probably not.

I'm not saying the raid will hand out tokens; you will still have to roll on them. And roll the highest number to win them. So, there's still RNG involved that will make it so people will have to run it multiple times.

The difference is that I would rather run Orbonne 15 times to get a token for a chest that I can immediately trade for the tank chest than run Orbonne 15 times only to see the dragoon or ninja chest drop all 15 times. I can't roll on something that doesn't even drop. In the current system, any given piece you want is gated behind two layers of rng instead of just one. The piece has to actually drop, and then you have to win the roll. With a token system, you just have to win the token.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Yeah, but token gear is pretty limited, due to the limitation on tokens. Orbonne gear is still quite useful for alts, as is the 380 gear from Alphascape. It's only really obsoleted for your main (since by now, most people who care have a full set of token gear/savage for their main). Sure, people with lots of time on their hands maybe have an alt in Scaevan gear, but the 380 and 390 certainly isn't "obsolete".

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To clarify: I'm talking ab out CRAFTED gear. Yes the "limited tomstone gear" accrues at the same rate as your 24man gear - roughly a piece a week (plus the tome gear has accessories and a weapon option, neither of which is true for 24man - and to furth put the boot in, the tomestone gear upgrades to better than the 24man gear as well) ... bu if you had a set of 380 crafted from 4.4, it takes ~3500 mendacity (ytes, mendacity, the ones you can get unlimited amounts of) to upgrade it to i390 .. .which is the same ilvl as tghe basic tomestone gear -- and the Orbonne drops.

Furthermore, you don't even need to spend money on HQ gear on market board either, you can buy up the NQ's nobody wants and convert them to Rakshasa Tokens in Rhalgr's Reach, add your Doman Reiyaku's you buy for your mendacity and buy HQ Yama (i390) gear. Double bonus. No 24man salt required, just a quick in prog run for that sweet lasst boss for the coin.

Again - if they want to fix the rewards from 24man, let them start with what they drop from it, rather than how it drops.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

To clarify: I'm talking ab out CRAFTED gear. Yes the "limited tomstone gear" accrues at the same rate as your 24man gear - roughly a piece a week (plus the tome gear has accessories and a weapon option, neither of which is true for 24man - and to furth put the boot in, the tomestone gear upgrades to better than the 24man gear as well) ... bu if you had a set of 380 crafted from 4.4, it takes ~3500 mendacity (ytes, mendacity, the ones you can get unlimited amounts of) to upgrade it to i390 .. .which is the same ilvl as tghe basic tomestone gear -- and the Orbonne drops.

Furthermore, you don't even need to spend money on HQ gear on market board either, you can buy up the NQ's nobody wants and convert them to Rakshasa Tokens in Rhalgr's Reach, add your Doman Reiyaku's you buy for your mendacity and buy HQ Yama (i390) gear. Double bonus. No 24man salt required, just a quick in prog run for that sweet lasst boss for the coin.

Again - if they want to fix the rewards from 24man, let them start with what they drop from it, rather than how it drops.

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I would certainly rather jump into Orbonne a few times a week rather than spend all of the time required to craft and gather that stuff. I'm perfectly ok with there being several ways - crafting, raids, etc - to get the same ilvl gear. That only makes it "obsolete" if you choose to do the other option. And even then, the crafted gear may not be your class's BiS.

Honestly I think the same number of drops, but piece tokens would be better. Sure, it would cut down on some runs, but not totally - if two belt tokens drop and nobody needs a belt then that's still something that's going to go unclaimed. And there would be competition for all pieces - but there would still be fewer unclaimed pieces instead of "I've seen the healer top drop 20 times but never the caster."

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

If anything it should be removed from 8 man.Not added to other content.
This kind of system that goes against everything about MMORPG drops.
The whole point is that everyone isnt supposed to be able to just casually get the gear they want like that.The whole system of trading in item x to get guranteed item you want just makes me cringe.
People want things too easy these days in games and implementing systems like this is giving in to those newer gamers.
You eliminate the concept of rare gear this way.

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You are missing the point. If you want to make it hard to obtain gear, just make the raids harder. How many people have the 12s mount? 8s mount? That's the right way to make rare loot. RNG doesn't make the content harder, just grindier.

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This kind of system that goes against everything about MMORPG drops.

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We largely gave up on those systems multiple generations of mmo's ago.

Even those games and players (like me) who used to advocate fiercely for those systems stopped advocating for those systems.

Its dead. And for good reason.