Suggestion: healer-based incentives/rewards

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Please don't try to over simplify healing to justify tanks having more achievement rewards. As a healer I am very often carrying other players whether they're undergeared, can't dodge anything, or it's a 24 man and yet again the other healer acts like they only have dps spells.

That isn't to say tanking isn't challenging. It is. But saying healers "just have to heal and follow mechanics" is so false. We're constantly expected to and have to make up for the shortcomings of others.

One of the reasons why people shy away from tanking is because tanks lead the pace of the group, therefore everyone has their eyes on them all the time. That on its own can be very daunting. Healers tend to be invisible until something goes wrong.

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Yup. And guess who gets the blame when something goes wrong? Regardless of whether or not said healer was actually at fault.

In addition to healing, doing mechanics and carrying other players, we also have to dps as much as possible. So healing being a simple matter of performing your primary role plus mechs? Yeah... No.

Yet tanks are the only role that gets achievement mounts. I've honestly never felt that that was particularly fair. In my own experience, both healing and tanking, healers are needed every bit as much. I can't tell you how many times I've had to sit in queue waiting for a healer as tank, but it's far more than the reverse.

In my opinion, role in need should be two tier, as someone said earlier in the thread, and second in need should be getting rewards too. Show healers some love too, SE.

Healer's only have to do mechanics and heal.

Pffft

If only. Tell that to my worn out rescue button that's been seeing a lot of use lately because certain people haven't figured out how to dodge the big glowy bad that's been telegraphed to them for the past 5 seconds.

Any claims by individuals that healers only heal and watch for mechanics should be met with a stern, collegiate level lecture on why their statement is incorrect lol.

I'm actually more surprised that there have not already been rewards added for consistent play as a healer. Roulette incentives and titles/mounts would be a good way to go about it, so long as DPS doesn't end up becoming too few in number as a result lol.

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Originally Posted by Kuurei

Any claims by individuals that healers only heal and watch for mechanics should be met with a stern, collegiate level lecture on why their statement is incorrect lol.

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Healers are only required to heal and perform mechanics, as such their role is advertised.

Any other actions, responsibilities, "covering", etc. are beyond the advertised role of the healer and instead shows that such efforts (that may be perceived as "above-and-beyond") reflects the player and not the role. Such a player would be "above-and-beyond" in almost any role they take since they have the capabilities and understanding of their role's toolbox.

For example: using the "Rescue" action to pull out another player from the AOE shows that the Rescuer would do the same action if Rescue was not only tied to the healer role.

Just because one does actions to fill in the gaps within a party as a Healer, doesn't make it the exclusively tied to the Healer role. Those players are just able to fill gaps by utilizing the tool box they are currently holding.

Now go ahead, lecture me.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

Just because one does actions to fill in the gaps within a party as a Healer, doesn't make it the exclusively tied to the Healer role

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Literally nobody said this. We are merely trying to dispell the myth that the healer role is just press heals and do boss tactics.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

Any other actions, responsibilities, "covering", etc. are beyond the advertised role of the healer and instead shows that such efforts (that may be perceived as "above-and-beyond") reflects the player and not the role. Such a player would be "above-and-beyond" in almost any role they take since they have the capabilities and understanding of their role's toolbox.

For example: using the "Rescue" action to pull out another player from the AOE shows that the Rescuer would do the same action if Rescue was not only tied to the healer role.

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How sad it is that someone thinks that using your class/role's kit appropriately means going above and beyond.

Going above and beyond is doing things like frequently healing and raising people in other alliances, keeping a severely undergeared chain pulling tank alive and not leaving the group, solo healing content designed for two healers, often using stuns and silence to interrupt mobs. Not pressing one role action button.

Don't confuse doing the bare minimum with what is actually expected of healers.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

Healer's are only required to heal and perform mechanics, as such their role is advertised.

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So I guess that means I don't have to res anymore? No more casting mitigation abilities because they're not heals? No more Fey Wind? No Chain Strat? Not even a tiny bit of dps?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Literally nobody said this. We are merely trying to dispell the myth that healing is literally press heals and do boss tactics. Don't confuse the bare minimum with what is actually expected of healers.

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Correct, no one literally said that. It was implied above.

That isn't to say tanking isn't challenging. It is. But saying healers "just have to heal and follow mechanics" is so false. We're constantly expected to and have to make up for the shortcomings of others.

That is from you, by the way.
If you stated that, other roles also have to make up for shortcomings of other people, this conversation would have never happened.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

How sad it is that someone thinks that using your class/role's kit appropriately means going above and beyond.

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Welcome to FF14 where people can’t even do their advertised roles, let alone use their whole toolbox. You have read that huge thread here on the forums where people vent about DR/DF, right?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Going above and beyond is doing things like frequently healing and raising people in other alliances, keeping a severely undergeared chain pulling tank alive and not leaving the group, solo healing content designed for two healers, often using stuns and silence to interrupt mobs. Not pressing one role action button.

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You apparently didn’t read what I stated about “above-and-beyond.”
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Any other actions, responsibilities, "covering", etc. are beyond the advertised role of the healer and instead shows that such efforts (that may be perceived as "above-and-beyond") reflects the player and not the role. Such a player would be "above-and-beyond" in almost any role they take since they have the capabilities and understanding of their role's toolbox.

Note the words that are in plural (example: responsibilities) and note the word “toolbox.” Both indicate the player being able to use multiple actions, not just one.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

So I guess that means I don't have to res anymore? No more casting mitigation abilities because they're not heals? No more Fey Wind? No Chain Strat? Not even a tiny bit of dps?

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Ah, my fault for laying out this statement incorrectly and not stating “healer oriented duties” and just stated “healing.” Though that, might have been done on subconsciously on purpose. I have been raised more by SMNs and RDMs in Eureka than Healers so, yeah, me being raised by a healer is now above-and-beyond. Just realized that. Thanks for asking your emotionally fueled question.

As for your other attempts to “own” within your question: as long as you can keep someone vertical, congrats, you did your advertised role.

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Originally Posted by Xtrasweettea

Healers are only required to heal and perform mechanics, as such their role is advertised.

Any other actions, responsibilities, "covering", etc. are beyond the advertised role of the healer and instead shows that such efforts (that may be perceived as "above-and-beyond") reflects the player and not the role. Such a player would be "above-and-beyond" in almost any role they take since they have the capabilities and understanding of their role's toolbox.

For example: using the "Rescue" action to pull out another player from the AOE shows that the Rescuer would do the same action if Rescue was not only tied to the healer role.

Just because one does actions to fill in the gaps within a party as a Healer, doesn't make it the exclusively tied to the Healer role. Those players are just able to fill gaps by utilizing the tool box they are currently holding.

Now go ahead, lecture me.

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By this same "bare-minimum" logic, tanks STILL have the easier job (stand in one spot, run your aggro combo a few times, depend on the healer to keep you alive through tankbusters")

Not that either role should be aiming to do the bare minimum, of course.

I wouldn't mind Healers getting achievements similar to the "A Tankless Job" and "Tank You, (class)", complete with a title and mount.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I wouldn't mind Healers getting achievements similar to the "A Tankless Job" and "Tank You, (class)", complete with a title and mount.

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Agreed. But, once more, healers don't sell expansion. Tank does. So, I would expect no love for healers.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

Agreed. But, once more, healers don't sell expansion. Tank does. So, I would expect no love for healers.

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Considering the tank and healer/dps ratios I would argue that tanks don't sell expansions either. Dps appeals to the most people. That's not to say that tanks or healers don't deserve recognition, but I wouldn't say that they "sell" expansions. A new tank will generally appeal to anyone who is tanking anyway. Same goes for healers.