Question about loot etiquette

The OP is mad that someone in their group won a loot roll?

... so did they expect people to just pass on everything for them? That feels pretty entitled to me.

Any time I do Normals with a partial premade we unanimously consider it a victory if someone in our group gets loot as opposed to the pugs. It means potentially one less run of it that week. Also your friend won something, why you would be mad about that just confuses me.

There are a lot of outdated MMO "loot etiquette" rules floating around, and what you brought up is one of them, OP. If the player participated in the kill, they are allowed to roll need on anything that they are eligible for. Your perceived need is not greater than another's, regardless of what they intend to use it for. Now if this is unacceptable, blame should be forwarded to S-E for allowing the same token to be exchanged for gear and items that can be sold on the market board.

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Originally Posted by tdb

Such deductive skills you have, almost rivaling inspector Hildibrand himself. But no, you arrived at the wrong conclusion. I was not on the run only because I wanted the loot. I also like helping my friends do things. I did some solo queues this morning and got most of my alpha loot (only missing v3 now, did it twice but didn't win), but if it turns out my friends still need something from there later this week (I don't know if they continued after I left) I will help them. Even if I've gotten the v3 loot as well by that point.

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And then you got to the one stage where you did need the loot, and expected priority over the loot for a reason not everyone agrees on. When you didn't get it, you quit the party because you were so upset over it. My, what a saint

If the button lights up, people are going to push it. Assuming anything else is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Especially in an auto matching situation like DF.

In PF, you can make your own rules and sometimes people do get kicked out of preformed parties due to not meeting requirements or doing something frowned upon.

In DF, anything goes though if the game itself allows it.

I'd actually be more annoyed at SE for having a bolt turn in (you actually need two to get a roll) when they are annoying to get as it is.

No matter what people use it for, the loot is FFA. If you don't get what you want the first time, just run the duty again and I'm pretty sure there have been times where you've won an item that another person really wanted.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

blame should be forwarded to S-E for allowing the same token to be exchanged for gear and items that can be sold on the market board.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

I'd actually be more annoyed at SE for having a bolt turn in (you actually need two to get a roll) when they are annoying to get as it is.

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This. The bolts are already the most useful part for a number of reasons (five of them needed for a full set; you only need one to get an item; you can't wear two scaevan rings), and then SE decides that this is the one part they want to use as the currency for orchestrion rolls too? Meanwhile I've seen pedals rot because no one wanted them.

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Originally Posted by tdb

In some games it is. In both Anarchy Online and Star Wars: The Old Republic I've seen people being kicked from groups or banned from publicly organized raids because they took loot that wasn't directly useful for them. With that history I was expecting something similar from FFXIV.

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Did you skip over the part where I confirmed loot etiquette IS important sometimes? Or did that bit not fit with your rebuttal?

You're also doing what a lot of people mistakenly do - compare this game to other MMOs.

FFXIV isn't Anarxhy Online.

FFXIV isn't SWTOR.

FFXIV isn't WoW.

And I would absolutely guarantee that, in the event of being banned from events, there would have been some form of agreement in place, some declaration about loot rolls and who gets what.

I do understand your frustration though, as my closing story showed I not only experienced similar, but I actually stated what I wanted beforehand. But while I thought it was dickish, there was no agreement, no contract, nothing set in stone.

You even said it yourself - had the person said nothing, you wouldn't even be here. That itself says a lot.

But hey, every day is a school day. You learned a lesson. Next time, if tou absolutely want something, agree first.

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Originally Posted by Blokeymon

Did you skip over the part where I confirmed loot etiquette IS important sometimes? Or did that bit not fit with your rebuttal?

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I read your post too hastily and misinterpreted it. My apologies.

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Originally Posted by Blokeymon

You're also doing what a lot of people mistakenly do - compare this game to other MMOs.

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Why is that a mistake? There are many similarities between different MMORPGs. Thanks to playing those other games I was able to jump right into FFXIV and instantly recognize many of the mechanics.

I started playing shortly before SB came out and only caught up to the endgame about two weeks ago. Up until now I had no reason to assume that FFXIV's loot etiquette would be different from all the other MMORPGs I've played, largely due to the fact that gear rolls are role-restricted. Perhaps it was shortsighted of me to not find out. Anyway I doubt any lasting damage has been done; based on what I heard from another friend the others were mostly just confused about me leaving over such a silly little thing. But my emotions being what they are I needed to cool down to avoid escalating the situation.

Any use for a drop is a valid use.
Glamour. Music. Desynthing.
Just handing it over to the GC for seals.

All of these are as equally valid as getting your ilvl increased.
If you didn't win the bolt but need one, run it again. That's the entire idea - getting queues moving by having people farm it.

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Originally Posted by tdb

This. The bolts are already the most useful part for a number of reasons (five of them needed for a full set; you only need one to get an item; you can't wear two scaevan rings), and then SE decides that this is the one part they want to use as the currency for orchestrion rolls too? Meanwhile I've seen pedals rot because no one wanted them.

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...its not like the Alphascape NM jewerly would be the only ilvl380 stuff though - you can get crafted gear without much trouble (from the market board, selfmade, commissioned by a crafter - seriously... no one in my FC has to run Alpha to get gear-upgrades, because we have enough crafters around who can make them.)

And you can upgrade one Scaevan ring to ilvl400 and then buy a second one. Just need to clear O10S. (And by clearing O9S you'll also have a shot at more ilvl400 stuff)
Oh... you dont raid, you say? Then you dont need that ilvl anyways. For dungeons you're perfectly fine with ilvl370 or even 360 stuff. Even for EX-primals you're fine with wearing an ilvl370 ring.

You most likely dont even want the full set from AlphaNM - if you're so concercend about ilvl and people outrolling you on loot you "need", you should actually first check wether or not you do, aka what substats your job wants and if you get those on the NM, crafted or tomestone piece (...or the Savage-one, if you do raid after all).
I find it difficult to take someone serious who blindly claims that they need all those drops and doesnt bother to check if those are actually good for their job and "semi BiS" (so to speak).

...maybe your friend was clever enough to do that and now wants the money to buy gear thats actually good for his class... regardless of wether or not he spends the gil on gear or on virtual hookers (...yes, there are PFs for that from time to time...) as long as he did his fair share of the fight, he deserved his fair share of the loot - which means in this context rolling on it and potentially winning it. What he spends it on, doesnt matter.