[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

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Originally Posted by Awha

Still not a valid comparison since you are making the assumption that adding an alternative means to obtain older PvP items would have a negative impact on the game mode. Do we have enough information to even make that claim? Who is the say that adding an alternative means would not have a positive impact? Everything you mentioned can be proven to have a negative impact and detracts from the game itself. How does adding an alternative method to get older PvP items detract from an already dying game mode?

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If you're accepting the fact that cheating and rmt negatively affect Ultimate(and other similar content) by devaluing their achievement then you know very well that offering alternative methods that are easier than achieving top 100 is devaluing said achievements in the same way. It makes competition for the top 100 moot, why do it if others can just get it for nothing? The logic applies to rmt and cheating making Ultimate clears viewed with skepticism. Just with your version with top 100 rewards it would be sanctioned by SE. Would you say the same thing if SE somehow accepted cheating and rmt(Which they wouldn't) that it would be legitimate? Of course you wouldn't.

Now that you have accepted that people's achievements can be harmed by outside sources, there really isn't much more to talk to you about. Your entire argument is based on how it's "just a game" and "only you can belittle your own achievement" which you just so happened to argue against.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

If you accept the fact that cheating and rmt negatively affect Ultimate(and other similar content) by devaluing their achievement then you know very well that offering alternative methods that are easier than achieving top 100 is devaluing said achievements in the same way. It makes competition for the top 100 moot, why do it if others can just get it for nothing? The logic applies to rmt and cheating making Ultimate clears viewed with skepticism. Just with your version with top 100 rewards it would be sanctioned by SE. Would you say the same thing if SE somehow accepted cheating and rmt that it would be legitimate? Of course you wouldn't.

Now that you have accepted that people's achievements can be harmed by outside sources, there really isn't much more to talk to you about. Your entire argument is based on how it's "just a game" and "only you can belittle your own achievement" which you just so happened to argue against.

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Personally no matter what people do to get their Ultimate kills it does not detract from my groups progress (have yet to kill either one) and when we do get our first kill no matter how long it takes it nothing will devalue that achievement to our group personally. If people think less of our kill because it was late so be it, does not have any impact on me. Even if they nerfed the hell out of Ultimate and created a story mode version, as long as they left an option to tackle it in its original state I would not be bothered.

Either way I do find it odd how you feel adding alternative methods to getting odd pvp items has the same weight as cheating.

Another thing I would love if SE offered a legitimized version of RMT, would give me something to use this gil on. If they made it so people with extra cash could buy crystal and sell it on the marketboard for gil I would be for that idea.

So I do not see where I accept that outside sources can impact ones achievements. I did say that certain things have been proven to have an negative impact on the game itself people leaving and such. Though say if hardcore pvpers did stop playing pvp due to the alternative means who is to say that because of that alternative means other players would not make up for those that stopped playing due to the change. At the core yeah it is just a game, if you want to leave because things may become easier fine, but that is a choice you have to make and is not one anyone cares about. That is all on you.

I will say this might be because of my history, and limitations but I have never let any outside factor detract from the value of something I have earned no matter how rare or common it is. Be it ingame or irl. So you will be hard pressed trying to convince me that someone else can belittle my accomplishments. Way I see it what you are proud of will always be on you, sure some people will be proud of some odd things or possibly even sick but if they are proud of it they are proud of it. Sure for some outside feedback can have change how one views something everyone is different.

In the context of a video game at the core it just boils down to the fact that one side wants the item, if someone is willing to pay someone whatever amount of money for something that is their choice and if they resort to cheating and get caught they will reap whatever consequences comes their way. I get what you are trying to do / say but I do not think the potential of poor behavior or misconduct is enough to lock people out of certain things. Nor do I feel cheating and misconduct are valid reasons to undermine achievements earned.

On a side note I am personally all for a story mode version for ultimate fights, while I do not understand the why someone would want such a thing, if it is possible and fits within the budget in terms of time and money I say go for it. Just as I never agreed with SE removing chat from feast simply because it had the potential to harm another player.

The problem i see with the feast is literally nothing else in the game is set up in this limited, time-gated way.
It's actually much the opposite.Dungeon minions get added to treasure maps when the dungeon becomes irrelevant
Raid mounts and gear become easier to get as you outgear it
big achievement rewards just build up over time if you do the associated content
primal rewards get made easier and easier as time passes and eventually just start coming back from retainer ventures
even the actually successful pvp mode rewards are now easier to get with the rotation system reviving older maps and their associated rewards

so why is it a nearly dead and bloated with system abusers piece of the game gifted with more and more exclusive stuff?

It's pretty confusing if you really think about it imo

would there be outcry if instead of becoming easier over time the primal mounts were locked out once the next primal is released?
what if the raid mounts stopped dropping when the next tier is released?

will never know because the feast is the only part of the game where this idiocy happens and it seems to be set up like bribery to get people doing it at all...

It's actually amusing to watch you accept that cheating and rmt have negative impacts on the game and then immediately make the claim that you wouldn't care if the game was full of cheating and rmt as if there was no negative impact.

You can't have your cake and eat it.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Either way I do find it odd how you feel adding alternative methods to getting odd pvp items has the same weight as cheating.

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They both have similar mechanisms that devalue the content they are affecting. One just so happens, if it would happen, to be sanctioned by SE.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Another thing I would love if SE offered a legitimized version of RMT, would give me something to use this gil on. If they made it so people with extra cash could buy crystal and sell it on the marketboard for gil I would be for that idea.

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You obviously know that isn't the type of rmt that is being discussed nor alluded to. Trying to downplay the effect of rmt on the game isn't tasteful.

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Originally Posted by Awha

So I do not see where I accept that outside sources can impact ones achievements.

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If you can claim that rmt and cheating have a negative effect on the game then yes you are making that claim.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Be it ingame or irl. So you will be hard pressed trying to convince me that someone else can belittle my accomplishments.

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Didn't you just try and dilute my argument with the cars because it was a reference to "irl." Lol, no words sir. We go full circle and you made conflicting statements again.

I would like there to be alternative ways to get the previous rewards.

I like PvP but for reasons of time I find it very difficult to participate in The Feast. In this season I decided to try my best and participate, but this week is almost totally dead and the waiting time is very high, yesterday wait 4 hours! all that to have bad luck and lose...

At the moment we are in season 8, I think it is a good time to add the rewards of season 1 and if you prefer, alternative versions of these rewards, so that they continue to have their exclusive versions of the people who participated during that season. (Everything except the trophies obviously)

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Originally Posted by Aviars

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First when I mentioned the irl part that was a statement I made about me personally how I do not let others no matter detract from my accomplishments no matter how trivial they seem. I was trying to explain why you would be hard pressed trying to convince me personally that any outside factor has any baring on what I have accomplished be it in a video game or real life. Secondly, I said RMT and cheating do have a negative impact on the game not ones achievements. In my eyes the health of the game and ones achievements do not go hand-in-hand. As I mentioned in my example, say when our group does get our first ultimate kill, the people who bought their clears will have no impact on how my group feels about our kill. Just as I would assume if someone cheated to get top 100 one season those that earned it legitimately would not let the cheater detract from their accomplishment. I could be wrong on that point, since it is an assumption. May have worded it poorly but does that make sense in how I can feel something can have a negative impact on the game itself, but not my achievements?

I will agree with you I do not understand why people are okay with earning mounts differently but not the trophies. Legit question, you view the feast itself ultimate itself as a contest right? If you do I can understand why we have such differing views I do not view the game as a contest. So if something

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Originally Posted by Awha

First when I mentioned the irl part that was a statement I made about me personally how I do not let others no matter detract from my accomplishments no matter how trivial they seem.

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You were trying to refute my argument that real life and video games shouldn't be compared because "it's just a game." But now you are also claiming that you would feel the same way about irl as you do with the game. Please champ.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Secondly, I said RMT and cheating do have a negative impact on the game not ones achievements.

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Mind stating what the negative effects are? Why will people leave the game if not the games toughest content being considered illegitimate and diluting the achievement of players? You keep saying there is a negative effect but keep claiming that you will be unaffected by it. You can't claim a negative and then claim people shouldn't feel affected by it.

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Originally Posted by Awha

I will agree with you I do not understand why people are okay with earning mounts differently but not the trophies.

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And you will somehow say the first place trophy should be for everyone? Hah

There are people raising the issue of an RMT booster in the top 100 right now and every season there are allegations of win-trading and the like.

What's wrong with someone placing in the Top 100 choosing an older reward if they prefer it over a newer one? What is wrong with someone spending three years to accomplish what others did in a much shorter time? What if all these items had the word 'Replica' a head of them or had some kind of particle effect to denote they weren't the 'real' originals? The Hellpup was added as an achievement reward and yet I still don't see every random PvPer wandering around with one at their heels.

As long as top 100 players are getting the top 100 rewards it doesn't bother me as much

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

The Hellpup was added as an achievement reward and yet I still don't see every random PvPer wandering around with one at their heels.

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The hellpup was changed to a general achievement at the beginning of the season in question and replaced by a different reward that remains exclusive to this day. SE is committed to exclusive items.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

SE is committed to exclusive items.

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No, they are not. See everything that didn't require either arbitrary judging or buying a different version of the game. The only true exception to this might be crossover even items due to licensing concerns.