A challenge to Naoki "Yoshi-P" Yoshida

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Originally Posted by Eliroth-Kaminari

All there question answer was yes on pld in hw as well so was pld balanced in hw answer is no was paladin vaiable in hw yes.

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Probably why it took the dev team an entire expansion to fix pld. It was viable, just not as effective as the other tanks in most endgame content, like how drk is now. Probably will also take until next expansion to see anything significant for drk with the way the dev team/yoshi-p seem to view drk at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Nayrr

Probably why it took the dev team an entire expansion to fix pld. It was viable, just not as effective as the other tanks in most endgame content, like how drk is now. Probably will also take until next expansion to see anything significant for drk with the way the dev team/yoshi-p seem to view drk at the moment.

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Hmm well they seem to be a bit more wary of letting big divides open up this time around so one imagines there will eventually be a DRK update sometime this expansion, it's just probably not going to be as sweeping a change as people might want.

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Originally Posted by Nayrr

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Personally, I'm waiting for the next live letter.

If they still don't address some of the issues the DRK community has mentioned, and take the world first clear with a DRK as excuse why not to touch the job, that'll most likely upset alot of DRK players.

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Originally Posted by CaTi

...it's just probably not going to be as sweeping a change as people might want

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We don't need sweeping changes to bring us up to par with PLD and WAR. Those overhauls of the entire job design/skills are something for 5.0, to make the job something more than Souleater combo. (Obviously exaggerated.)

The most immediate problems can be ironed out by some tweaking, not even as "demanding" as what they've done with WAR.

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Originally Posted by Cheyze

Personally, I'm waiting for the next live letter.

We don't need sweeping changes to bring us up to par with PLD and WAR. Those overhauls of the entire job design/skills are something for 5.0, to make the job something more than Souleater combo. (Obviously exaggerated.)

The most immediate problems can be ironed out by some tweaking, not even as "demanding" as what they've done with WAR.

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I wasn't saying DRK *needs* sweeping changes. Just that a lot of players in some of these DRK threads have posted laundry lists of changes they either want or need and that whatever changes are made likely won't meet those expectations. It'll be tweaks as you say

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Originally Posted by CaTi

I wasn't saying DRK *needs* sweeping changes. Just that a lot of players in some of these DRK threads have posted laundry lists of changes they either want or need and that whatever changes are made likely won't meet those expectations.

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Exactly.

I'm all for some major mechanial changes to DRK, but we should keep it real for now.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

>Implying I only care about DRK buffs.
Good one.
>Implying gameplay mechanics correlate to game development.
Apples to Oranges there.

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I'd take you more seriously if you weren't trying to emulate meme arrows from some laotian stamp-collecting board. You asked a question, I answered. Whether or not that suits your arbitrary criteria, that's beyond my concern.

Uh..he could do this. The people who say DRK is unbalanced are people who mean it in the sense of "it won't let me get the highest numbers on fflogs" or "it's just a little more of a pain to play than PLD." It's not like launch AST or MCH, where it's clearly underpowered or too hard to do even basic play. Save the complaining about balance for when jobs legitimately get excluded from content, not because there's a slight difference in playing.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Uh..he could do this. The people who say DRK is unbalanced are people who mean it in the sense of "it won't let me get the highest numbers on fflogs" or "it's just a little more of a pain to play than PLD." It's not like launch AST or MCH, where it's clearly underpowered or too hard to do even basic play. Save the complaining about balance for when jobs legitimately get excluded from content, not because there's a slight difference in playing.

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Not even close to true. The complaints are that Dark Knight does not bring a unique element to tanking that another tank doesn’t also do better.

You should at least try reading the nature of the complaints since July. But that’s the short of it.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Here's how:

Can DRK clear all content?

Can DRK complete all content at the same ilvl as the other tanks?

Can DRK compete for world first?

Can DRK do dps that is within 10% of the other tanks?

Can DRK mitigate all bosses and mechanics as of this tier?


If you answered "Yes!" to all these questions, then you as a dev can justify tank balance.

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Is it possible for someone on the mod squad to pin this at the top of this sub-forum? Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Is it possible for someone on the mod squad to pin this at the top of this sub-forum? Just sayin'

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If tank changes should be based on this then why was Shake It Off reworked?