Is Dissipation really that bad?

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Originally Posted by ScorpiusO-Ra-E

This is what I'm looking for it's definitely not as useless as everyone seems to think it's

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people love to exaggerate. also I posted a follow up in my recent post regarding the MP argument. just a tip for you since people here are set in their ways.

use dissipation with largesse and with deployed adlo. that's the optimal way to use it. even better when your fairy abilities are on CD.

if you are preparing for a raid wide Aoe mechanic, pre cast your fairy abilities so they are up before you dissipate. FEY covenant first for the 20% magic damage down buff and then fey illumination plus largesse THEN Dissipate.

Don't waste the three aether dissipate gives you. For this I suggest popping sacred soil and excog

"rotation" for incoming raid damage

sacred soil > excog to get rid of any aether
rouse plus whispering dawn
fey covenant
largess > fey ilumination
dissipate
adlo > deploy
estimated damage mitigated is 76,000 HP. if crit you mitigate 176,000 HP (given you have a 7000 HP adlo heal)

ALWAYS use 100% of your toolkit and find ways to make use of all your abilities to make the other healers job easier. that's the fun in being a SCH.

going through a Susano sword phase and seeing everyone's HP at full is fun

I agree with most of the people here that say dissipation is not a great skill. From the waste of killing off your fairy and having to resummon it and wasting A SWIFTCAST is just not worth it in my opinion. Also the skill just doesn't mesh well with the SCH toolkit especially now in SB. Where if you kill off your fairy you don't get any kind of charges to fairy bar like Fay Union and Dissipation contradict each other. This doesn't play into being a tactical healer. its like choosing whether you need to two arms or one. probably a bad analogy but you get the point. Having the fairy out is way more useful then it being dead and gaining three aetherflow.
Granted there are uses to this skill but those are in huge circumstances where you have spent all your mana maybe on ressing and your co-healer also is running low on mana then yeah dissipation is a useful skill but for 95% of the time SCH's dont need to use this skill.

People don't declare themselves innovators, they're recognized by their peers as innovators for their contributions. Most of the time those contributions don't include blindly dismissing opposing opinions that don't support their pet theory.

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Originally Posted by paoweeotter

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Thats ofc is the only and best way to use it.
But as I answered u before you can still do the same and dont dissipate, it is and will be a mp loss. If its usable or not is a different thing

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Originally Posted by paoweeotter

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Exactly that's kinda the only thing keeping me as this class and that's it's "bulkiness" I get a thrill out of exhausting my abilities and then having my own backup generator to keep the party alive. Plus a lot of us just ignore the fact that WE ARE NOT MAIN HEALERS, we are planners with mitigation sitting pretty in the back seat. Our cohealer should very hopefully exist and be doing their jobs in whatever savage content we're in so dissipation should very much be a cool button to use and not something we're all fearful of is all.

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Originally Posted by ScorpiusO-Ra-E

WE ARE NOT MAIN HEALERS

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That doesnt mean we dont have to heal and heal hard.

I feel this discussion doesnt go anywhere

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

People don't declare themselves innovators, they're recognized by their peers as innovators for their contributions. Most of the time those contributions don't include blindly dismissing opposing opinions that don't support their pet theory.

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What opinion about mp loss has been helpful to my overarching question? Please enlighten me. That would be like me saying I don't use Miasma II because in "certain" situations its a dps loss when in actuality it can be a dps gain if used correctly. Questions and inquiries are used to gain information not dismiss what has been given. If i was being dismissive I would've said something along the lines of "MP problems don't exist for scholar, we have energy drain, AF, and Lucid Dreaming." As opposed to an inquiry like: "Well what is leading you to these mp issues in the first place? Is there a workaround?"

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Originally Posted by Clouse_Cleyra

That doesnt mean we dont have to heal and heal hard.

I feel this discussion doesnt go anywhere

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Because he doesn't want to accept other answers.

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Originally Posted by ScorpiusO-Ra-E

What opinion about mp loss has been helpful to my overarching question? Please enlighten me. That would be like me saying I don't use Miasma II because in "certain" situations its a dps loss when in actuality it can be a dps gain if used correctly. Questions and inquiries are used to gain information not dismiss what has been given. If i was being dismissive I would've said something along the lines of "MP problems don't exist for scholar, we have energy drain, AF, and Lucid Dreaming." As opposed to an inquiry like: "Well what is leading you to these mp issues in the first place? Is there a workaround?"

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When your over arching question was "Why do many SCHs not like dissipation?" That's it, that's people's answer: the cost to them doesn't justify whatever gain they might get, especially when no content actually requires the influence of dissipation to clear.

I mean, let's look back to when the skill was introduced in HW. Most of the high end raiders that defended it did used the justification that the skill allowed them to get more energy drains out, upping their DPS while staying mostly MP neutral. This was with savage Gordias, where having a healer focused on damage for a portion of the fights was a thing. The SCHs didn't care about the healing boost.