Some healers make me panic

Sometimes I click off my cd just to wipe the party, and tell healer: heal me or no big pull, choose; to dps: kill them before I die or no big pull, choose. The I play properly until the near death experience happens again for the SAME reason. Mistakes can happens and understandable, I rather have a weak healer that straggle a little than a green icon dps.....and btw... just put your dots on and heal and if dpses are doing the job properly, the tank won't even need a huge heal because mobs are already dead.

I am main tank and yet when I play healer (WHM) I let my tank drop to 50% before any heal, too.

I have already played with some pretty damn good healers that let me drop to 5% as tank, too. I almost wet my pants, but damn those heals :D

Make use of your CDs to push those numbers and-

Let your healers DPS! I do it, they do it, everyone should do it*

*at least as long you can handle this, don't try this when you are a newb

Well the problem is sometimes you need to try something before you know that it doesn't work. Maybe you can weave 3 dps spells before healing the tanks, but if you never try to weave 4 spells and let the tank die, you never know that 3 is your limit. Not to mention that after the cleric stance changes they can now weave off gcd heals between their gcd dps spells so it's a lot easier to react.

Also clemency in a big pull can actually be a good thing, you lose a holy spirit (around 440 potency with requiescat and shield oath) or a total eclipse (around 120 potency per target with fof and shield oath), gravity or holy would beat those two. Idk how sch aoe fares though, haven't checked their dps rotation.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Good healers will always push DPS. If the rate of damage is slow, sure Ill let you hit 20%!

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I disagree. Good healers read the room and adapt. If they see that the tank is extra squishy, then why push DPS if you know that they are going to drop in 2-3 GCDs? If the tank is sturdy, uses cooldowns, and focuses more on mitigation, why stand around and not throw some dots out? If the DPS are slow to move out of AoEs, why wouldn't I heal them up instead of just telling them to get good and let them suffer? If things are taking longer to die, sure, I may throw out some DPS, but if the party is taking more damage than they should, I will focus on bringing everyone back up to safe levels before I even think about throwing DPS out.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

read the room.

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I wish that more healers could do this. I keep seeing PUG healers DPSing to the point the tank dies and I wind up tanking anywhere from 1-7 mobs as a SAM/MCH when the tank dies. I sincerely feel healer deeps needs to be hit again.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

The only downside to this is with the the loss of aero/bio/Combust weave opportunities have grown scarce. I really want to largesse and cast a heal but i need to wait until x amount of time to clip/reapply my dot or its a dps loss. Hang on tankb your buffed heal and ogcd is on its way.

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But when tanking for a PUG idk if the heal isn't coming because a healer is trying to optimize or because the healer is bad. The tank is presented with a choice of trusting the healer which is an uncertainty, or addressing it issue themselves which is a certainty. No tank in their right mind is going to shoot for an insignificant weave optimization, if they believe a party wipe is possible.

If they are in tank stance I heal at 25% and if they are dps stance I heal at 5%. They usually die, but they get the message.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

I wish that more healers could do this. I keep seeing PUG healers DPSing to the point the tank dies and I wind up tanking anywhere from 1-7 mobs as a SAM/MCH when the tank dies. I sincerely feel healer deeps needs to be hit again.

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In dungeons the purpose of the tank is to let healers dps as much as possible. Otherwise you might as well just have 3 dps to heal.

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Originally Posted by DacienSanderon

In dungeons the purpose of the tank is to let healers dps as much as possible. Otherwise you might as well just have 3 dps to heal.

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"Reasonably". If the tanks dying because the healer is prioritizing their own meter instead of their job, then they are objectively failing to do their one job as a healer and should be promptly replaced at the first opportunity.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Also clemency in a big pull can actually be a good thing, you lose a holy spirit (around 440 potency with requiescat and shield oath) or a total eclipse (around 120 potency per target with fof and shield oath), gravity or holy would beat those two. Idk how sch aoe fares though, haven't checked their dps rotation.

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Except clemency heals for less than half a cure 2. So you lose 2 paladin gcd vs just 1 healer gcd.