MCH vs BRD (And why MCH need serious help)

Aww, they reused it for Turret Overload already. But it could still work with the pulse effect Refresh and Tactician currently have

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Originally Posted by Shunye

except if you actually look at the good mch's. the best bards vs the best mch, the dps difference is 60. people on the forums need to stop acting like the sky is falling.

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60? Top MCH parses are 3.6k~3.8k. Top BRD parses are 4k~4.1k without serious padding. BRD walks all over MCH. I do not know where you got this 60 DPS difference from lol.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

ITT: Nobody wants their job to be on the bottom.

Reality: There has to be something on the bottom.

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I main Bard and because of it's use as a mobile utility class it should logically be on the bottom. MCH should have higher overall dps. It really needs a buff.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

60? Top MCH parses are 3.6k~3.8k. Top BRD parses are 4k~4.1k without serious padding. BRD walks all over MCH. I do not know where you got this 60 DPS difference from lol.

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Probably from my post in another thread or the same source: FFlogs. Comparing top and bottom isn't very practical because of catering and crit/mechanic RNG. It's better to compare a statistical average.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

At 90th percentile, aka the best 10% of people, the average difference between MCH and BRD is roughly 60 dps. Source: Susano Lakshmi

"Best" parses aren't good for comparison because they're literally outliers on the scale. The sample size of Machinist parses is also very low compared to other jobs for the time being.

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Originally Posted by Kyuubee

They need to get rid of the crappier form of dissipation (lul blow up your turret because machinist reasons).

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Overdrive would be better if the potency matched the damage lost while the turret was out. It's over half of your damage lost in potency, it isn't even affected by Hypercharge, and it doesn't count toward Wildfire.

It's one of the most lacklustre abilities in the game right now - even the animation is boring.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Probably from my post in another thread or the same source: FFlogs. Comparing top and bottom isn't very practical because of catering and crit/mechanic RNG. It's better to compare a statistical average.

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Okay well even so....MCH has overall lower damage alone and faaaaar less utility and party damage increases. Still an issue regardless that makes it quite literally worse in every way.

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Originally Posted by Fannah

The problem is not to be on the bottom, the problem is to feel six feet under compared to the others. That's why we talk about balancing. Not about getting superior (and the fact some immature people want to be superior to feel balanced is not an argument about real balance and what is fair or not).

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The current issues with MCH are similar to what BRD experienced when Heavensward launched. BRD was just clunky and weak, MCH was superior in terms of personal DPS, and they carried the same utility as a BRD, so a lot of statics preferred MCH and ousted BRDs until BRDs got a buff in 3.2 (so that they were no longer six feet under MCH). If it's any consolation, I think MCH could be facing a buff further down SB's lifecycle to bring it back to being "on par" with BRD in terms of DPS, and maybe they'll add in a little bit of additional utility to MCH, since they still consider it a "support" job.

I believe there was something like MCH was better with physical dps allies (Hypercharge (monotarget turret)), while BRD was better with magical dps allies (Foe Requiem).

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The current issues with MCH are similar to what BRD experienced when Heavensward launched. BRD was just clunky and weak, MCH was superior in terms of personal DPS, and they carried the same utility as a BRD, so a lot of statics preferred MCH and ousted BRDs until BRDs got a buff in 3.2 .

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Never was a BRD ousted pre 3.2 in favor of a MCH. They did higher damage and they provided better raid support. And parses showed it.
In HW MCH launched terribly and suffered a DPS loss simply from using gauss barrel. There was no such sweetspots for us pre 3.2 like there were for BRDs either. No stat padders in A2S. No god comps for A3S.

In 3.01 we got buffs to GB so it wasn't solely a dps loss to use it. At some point they nerfed GR for some reason. Ffrom 3.01 to 3.2: they buffed GR buffed applied a QoL change to split shot, super buffed hypercharge, reduced our costs, buffed QR, upped GB by 10% and I probably missed some.

As an main Bard, I also find Machinist to be the least fun Job currently. The turret is just a DoT that can be killed and could potentially be forgotten about if it is as it doesn't leave a debuff on the target. The Gauss Barrel ends up being a damage buff move that isn't on command like everyone else, you have to time it with your wildfire, often saving wildfire therefore losing uses of it overall, and you get a damage penalty for using Gauss's overheat buff! Which is unheard of for most other classes.

Why can you use Gauss round without Gauss Barrel?

I'm not speaking on a difficulty standpoint, but it's just not that fun to play.