Votekick reloaded

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Only yesterday, a FC mate told me the tank left as soon as it entered duty, another one came and immediately gone afk to be kicked, then I joined in progress just to see there were two poor souls on their first run of the duty. It feels like I shifted to a parallel universe with black and white reversed.

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And how is this fixed by removing the vote-kick? And dont tell me the second tank wouldnt have left too and eaten the penalty instead of insisting on a kick. Quite the opposite happend here: Tank who refused to cooperate got kicked, you got in, the two leafies got their dungeon done... mmmh... sounds as if... the vote-kick actually removed a bad apple and helped someone finish a run...?

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Originally Posted by YISUG

this "jp data centers are better than the rest of the world" thing is getting out of hand

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It's the truth, no matter how much you may not like to hear it; in terms of behaviour, attitude, and overall ability, JP is better than EU/ NA.

Can JP players be bad/ rude/ racist? Absolutely.

Does it mean that there aren't many skilled/ lovely players on our servers? Of course not.

But on average, they do have a more community-minded playerbase, and this reflects in their playing.

Taking the east-west comparison a bit farther, I feel like the problems LalaRu is seeing would be lessened if we took a leaf out of the JP approach and encouraged more use of Party Finder over DF for people still progressing through the game (which was recently suggested on these very forums by a player on an EN datacenter and deserves more Likes). If anything, S-E could address this further by lowering the rewards for roulettes (which inherently encourage speedrunning) and raising them for new player bonuses, while keeping kick intact so those who don't play nice can be sent on their way. The current new player bonuses are mostly poetics which veterans rarely need, or WT points which I'm always capped on anyway.

(Disclaimer: I am not saying that Japanese people are superior beings. I am saying that they have figured this particular problem out better, though. Speedruns and clears are handled completely differently so nobody ends up mad.)

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Originally Posted by Kallistra

...Yes, some people abuse the vote dismiss, but that's why it has a cooldown. It does NOT need removing, but it might need some adjusting. For example, make dismisses in a 4/4 party require 3/4 to approve the kick instead of 2/4 or make it so you can only dismiss one person everyday. Removing a function is not a solution, it is just creating another web of problems.

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Your post made me think over OP and yes, you suggestion have so much sense that I feel it as a better candidate for dealing with the feature than plain removal.

I'm not sitting on my high horse and if I see better reasoning I will acknowledge it. Kudos to you.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I am saying that they have figured this particular problem out better, though. Speedruns and clears are handled completely differently so nobody ends up mad.)

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Everytime JP playstyle comes up, all that is ever being said is "XXX is being handled completely different." "Their playstyle differs a lot"

Yada yada yada. Please be more specific and give examples! I'm dying to know HOW it is different :<

Plz? <3

Purrrrrty please? <33

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Originally Posted by Lunaxia

It's the truth, no matter how much you may not like to hear it; in terms of behaviour, attitude, and overall ability, JP is better than EU/ NA.

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The truth is none of this has anything to do with the topic.

You can easily convey your disagreement with OP's post without resorting to putting down certain regions no matter how "true" you think it is.

Not to mention that unless you do a research study between the different region servers to get factual statistics then your "truth" holds as much water as a glass with a huge hole in it.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

As long as DF is random matching, it does not need have votekick but just duty abort option, while votekick still have sense in PF, when you find out players are not what they are meant to be.

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Considering you can leave freely and kick the offender in a PF group, you have the opposite idea of what vote kick is there for it seems.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

Everytime JP playstyle comes up, all that is ever being said is "XXX is being handled completely different." "Their playstyle differs a lot"

Yada yada yada. Please be more specific and give examples! I'm dying to know HOW it is different :<

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Disclaimer (going to use one on everything now): I am just posting this to answer the question asked. Also, not everyone on Japanese worlds is Japanese; it's a culture of the servers rather than a culture of the actual players' nationalities, for the most part.

In examples like the ones LalaRu gave, new players are treated very gently; the idea is to turn them into good players by giving them a good experience, rather than crushing them emotionally in order to increase a personal tomes/hour rate which is what some people seem to describe. Most new players are sensitive to veterans and create their clear runs as party finders rather than joining DF blind, so when you get into Castum via roulette, for example, you can usually expect a speedrun and proceed accordingly. If people aren't sure and get a newbie in a DF group, a lot of the time someone will ask whether they want to rush and the group will be expected to respect the request. Meanwhile, party finder advertisements for Castrum without any cutscene skipping will fill at any time of day, synced or unsynced; there are enough people willing to try messing around on their smartphones or desynthing stuff in their inventory while a newcomer enjoys their cutscenes that nobody has to feel forced to skip the movies unless they specifically created a speedrun group.

We also get party finders every day with descriptions like 'I suck at tanking, but I'm trying to learn! Will you come to The Vault with me and train?' rather than the person just silently joining DF, making mistakes throughout the run and getting silently kicked by a bunch of angry people who then have to wait 30 minutes for a replacement. Whenever someone sucks in a random DF group and doesn't acknowledge it themselves, people will bend over backwards to try to understand what's wrong and give respectful tips. It's never 'lololol this noob healer doesn't even use cleric stance LOL' but more like 'I wonder whether there's even time to play around in Cleric Stance a little? This tank is really tough today!'. The latter is just as pushy as the former, but doesn't immediately kick off the discussion from a point of maximum aggression and degenerate into a fight.

I know there are moody people on Japanese worlds too; if you're persistently terrible and ignore advice, or go against the group's playstyle, or tell lies about your communication skills, you'll occasionally be on the receiving end of some pretty snarky passive agressive remarks. Similarly, I know most non-Japanese players aren't bad apples; I can see plenty of kind people on the forums who are probably great in-game too. And for all I know, these positive things happen on non-Japanese servers too and the people telling me they don't are paranoid. But when all I hear is that newbies can't even use PF because nobody will join clear runs without some kind of special reward... sheesh. It really gives a poor impression of how things work on the other side. As ambassadors for the non-Japanese worlds, some of the members of the forum make them sound like very rough places to play.

It's worth adding that my original (not entirely serious) remark was based on my feelings about the chat ban in The Feast, which as far as I can tell was implemented for specifically the reason I gave in that same remark. I may be wholly mistaken but I have literally never had any kind of PVP experience in the whole time I have been playing where I felt having chat blocked would be productive in any way. Nobody has ever said anything aggressive no matter how bad a job I did. When everyone in the game has functionality removed to counter a problem which only seems to affect a completely different demographic playing on completely separate servers, it's annoying - though in the case of the chat ban I think the western players who didn't want the ban are completely justified in protesting too. It's annoying in exactly the same way that the content which rewards the stereotypical Japanese love of patient grinding annoys the bulk of the western playerbase, and consequently those who struggle to find parties who want to waste time doing that kind of thing. We get those complaints on the forum every time, "why didn't S-E realise everyone was just going to cheat at this new content before they released it?"

Well of course they didn't realise. They aren't viewing the game through the same eyes. At times, it's almost like we're playing two completely different games.

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Originally Posted by Miste

The truth is none of this has anything to do with the topic.

You can easily convey your disagreement with OP's post without resorting to putting down certain nationality groups no matter how "true" you think it is.

Not to mention that unless you do a research study between the different nationality servers to get factual statistics then your "truth" holds as much water as a glass with a huge hole in it.

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Technically it does, as we're discussing behaviour in-game and someone brought up a comparison between the two regarding the need for such an option as specified by OP.

I didn't "put down any nationality" either, I pointed out that player behaviour is, on average, better on one set of datacentres than another, as anyone who has experienced both sides of the coin will tell you. I couldn't care less if you choose not to believe it, that's your prerogative.

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Originally Posted by YISUG

i wasnt talking about any of what you just said
you said


then you say



what....and the whole thing about


lol , just stop

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all that is true actually. jp have a thread someplace, it is a "problematic player" thread. Like people who record with out permission, people who go too far against the group.

JP try to solve problems, not berate people. Something NA players should start doing. :/ it is a basic thing that takes lil to no time.