Please do something about Living Dead

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

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Yes because blowing 2 large cds on one go is such a great idea, and so much better than not using anything (how you say you prepare Benediction for Hallowed is baffling)

Bye

One issue that I do see is considering the following.
A Paladin can use Hallowed Ground, then use Clemency to restore their HP. Healers need not tend.
A Warrior can Holmgang and Equilibrium, Second Wind, Thrill of Battle, and maybe even Bloodbath their way back to health. You don't even need all of these listed. Healers may want to tend, but not always needed.
A Dark Knight uses Living Dead, hits 1HP, and then... healers must tend.

It's not so much an issue that vit changes will be harder on healers. The issue is that the tank itself has no way of self-recovery from their ultimate defensive ability.

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Originally Posted by DeeColon

Like how you're talking about how much harder the skill makes life on healers when you don't have all 3 healers at 60? Right.

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Yes because i'm on the receiving end and have gone through multiple healers and see how good they need to be to use it properly?
You even agreed with me a few posts back... rofl
You almost had a comeback there tho

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

??? My DRK is 54, you get LD at 50, I work with a DRK in my raid static. Please don't insult my intelligence, or do I need to point out that you are talking about Holmgang even though you haven't levelled WAR fully.

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You do realize holmgang existed in 2.x during endgame progression right and that it has been unchanged?....

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Originally Posted by Pibz

You just went through the issue and refuse to see it, go play DRK for a significant time and come back to me.

The fact that you spell it out, it needs 4* 2.4s casts during 10s (a little less with regens up or if you use cds to heal up the tank.... sigh how is the flaw not painfully obvious) , holmgang needs 1-2 heals just as it is about to end in the extreme case. If you don't see it right in front of your nose i'm not gonna write anymore, as you said move on and stop cluttering the thread.

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An interesting thought, and yes, I do feel that holmgang has a good place when there aren't AoE's going out (However, I can not describe to you how many times an AoE has nicked me regardless of incomming healing due to the bind)

Additionally, I listed a healer that was nearly 10 item levels lower - thus weaker healing effectiveness than an equivelent Dark Knight who has a higher item level.

Here's the thing, though. Yes, I listed that a healer, using 4 heals, can get you capped off for Living Dead and in the "Safe" zone. However, what I didn't list was:
- Use of CD's (that same white mage can throw in a Tetra and make it 2-3, crits can make it 1-2 casts of the heal), divine seal will reduce the quantity required, presence of mind, assize. Lustrate, Essential Dignity.HoT's. And the tank's own self-healing and buffs (Living Dead + Conva is nice.) There are far more variables that help a DRK reach that full 100% than there are that help a Warrior who's holmgang'd in place at low HP.

Stop trying to assume that people "Playthe job less than you", heck - even your main class is listed as "Gladiator (PLD)" so should I start acting like you don't play DRK at all? You use the most arbitrary method of refuting an arguement imaginable, without actually considering anyone elses stance or experience on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Pibz

Yes because i'm on the receiving end and have gone through multiple healers and see how good they need to be to use it properly?
You even agreed with me a few posts back... rofl
You almost had a comeback there tho

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The same bad duty finder healers that let you die with living dead will also let you die if you're a war using holmgang, and there's a chance they'll even let you die after hallowed ground wears off too, it's life with DF.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

There are far more variables that help a DRK reach that full 100% than there are that help a Warrior who's holmgang'd in place at low HP.

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This is just nonsense

And yes healers can use CDS to get rid of it, or they can use just 1-2 cure IIs/adlos/wtv (wars) or nothing (pld) and save their cds for stuff further along the fights. Also if the the cds used crits at an unfortunate timing, gg invulnerability..

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Originally Posted by Pibz

The problem is that the other abilities don't require nearly as much "coordination" as living dead plain and simple. And basic psychology and design principles tell you that people nearly always prefer the easiest solution.

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Easier doesn't always mean superior, better, more likeable, or in any way better designed. It means easier. Unless it is causing you unreasonable suffering (by which i mean the majority of dark knights everywhere, not you specifically) and is useless it's not broken and thus does not need fixed.

Should it cause issues for most dark knights however then yes it needs work. I'm not seeing it though, thats just me with my opinion having played and played with dark knights and yes as a healer aswell. I've never seen a dark knight complain about the job being painful except for jokes about them being masochists.

Many people I've met prefer dark knight, i prefer paladin because I'm an addict for the classic sword and shield hero but dark knight has generally been fun to play minus occaaional bad moments that happen no matter what you play as.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

A Paladin can use Hallowed Ground, then use Clemency to restore their HP. Healers need not tend.

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This is why HG is 420 second cast instead of 300, the extra 2 minutes is relevant, and makes this balanced. All the classes have tradeoffs and PLDs is damage and minimal MP and TP management tools. DRK has dark arts and blood price, and good AOE utility, PLD has HG.

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Originally Posted by Pibz

Stop white knighting ffs

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Anyone that jumps to this as fast as you did, does so because they really have no ground with their argument. Living Dead is fine as is, any GOOD healer has no problem with it, and any GOOD DRK knows when best to use it. Could it be better? Probably. But it's fine as it is, really

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

Anyone that jumps to this as fast as you did, does so because they really have no ground with their argument. Living Dead is fine as is, any GOOD healer has no problem with it, and any GOOD DRK knows when best to use it.

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Yes because calling things by name is wrong i guess. And nevermind my non existing grounds that i have posted over like 10 different replies now.. Your reply on the other hand so much arguments and content and rebuttal of what i said, truly a great debater..

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Originally Posted by DeeColon

The same bad duty finder healers that let you die with living dead will also let you die if you're a war using holmgang, and there's a chance they'll even let you die after hallowed ground wears off too, it's life with DF.

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Please tell me how someone dies through Hallowed . And any of you have yet to tell me how Holmgang is tougher to use besides "Oops i used it in aoe" which pretty much only happens if you are awful and it's 100% your own fault.