There are already two dps-tank jobs, please don't make Paladin the third.

"dps-tank jobs" Look a tank is a tank, PLD WAR and DRK can all tank well enough to beat content PLD just has lower damage on average because "higher defense" except that higher defense means nothing because a WAR or DRK can take any damage a PLD can otherwise PLD would be OP and support doesn't work with how this games designed. Sure you could give PLD healing abilities or buffs but it'll likely just add less for the PLD to do because if a PLD needs to heal someone then the healers aren't doing their job, if SE designed the content with a healer PLD in mind then PLD would become 100% necessary for raids causing balance to shift in the opposite direction of what it currently is regarding tank spots in raid statics.

What PLD does need though is a gameplay style which it currently lacks.

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Originally Posted by Februs

It's really weird, honestly. It's almost as if SE started with a completely different concept for Gld and switched gears when they started designing Pld.

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They were likely planning to have Dark Knight branch off of Gladiator as a DpS originally, but cancelled that after they understood the mess they made when they based SMN/SCH off of the same Arcanist chassis.

I personally don't see any reason why Paladins can't hit a little harder. They're sword fighters aren't they? Increased piercing damage makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

But what would I know about balance, I'm just a dirty Warrior with no weakness. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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It is lonely at the top #Warriorproblems

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

I personally don't see any reason why Paladins can't hit a little harder. They're sword fighters aren't they? Increased Slashing damage makes sense to me.

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Fixed it for you, and it is increased by Warriors and Ninjas; you're welcome ;D

Again, the quick "fix" would be to revamp Oaths:

Shield Oath- Reduces damage taken by 20% damage dealt by 20%, Accuracy increased by 5% Savage Blade now deals damage to all targets within 8y in front of player.

Sword Oath- Increases the potency of auto-attacks by 50. Increase Fast Blade's damage by 10% (15 potency increase to all 3 combos).

Takes care of both the enmity issues and increases the pally dps margin by enough to make them aid in the tight endgame dps checks while maintaining their class identity.

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

Fixed it for you, and it is increased by Warriors and Ninjas; you're welcome ;D

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That's dumb. You thrust and pierce with a one-handed sword. "Stick them with the pointy end," yeah?

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Originally Posted by SoloNightlock

I havn't lvled war all the way to sixty yet so maybe they get some awesome defensive ability that trumps everything pld has but in my experience any pld that mitigates less dmg then a war is a scrub.

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Originally Posted by SoloNightlock

Ib... inner beast? Why would I use that when I could fell cleave :p

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With that attitude, you're gonna end up Fell Cleaving the floor for 0 damage at one point or another. :3

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Anyway, really informative post, and highlights a lot of things often overlooked by a lot of people. Good stuff, Phoenicia. ( ' - ' )b

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Well, I wrote that totally on the spot so I missed a lot of things and my points could've been way more organized, detailed and accurate. I just wanted to point out that just because something could "look" great doesn't mean it's great. You have to look at the whole picture to know if something is as it seems, without going into specifics as to how WAR loses IB out of tank stance while PLD/DRK keep all their tools or how easy some tools are to utilize and what-not.

I'm sure whatever you nitpick with me is discussion worthy. But the post was just a kneejerk reaction of something's been bothering me for a long time now. The illusion that PLD mitigates more is so 2.0 now. Simply mitigation =/= reduction.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

They were likely planning to have Dark Knight branch off of Gladiator as a DpS originally, but cancelled that after they understood the mess they made when they based SMN/SCH off of the same Arcanist chassis.

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That would have made sense. I was also under this impression, especially with the Gld lore being so radically different from Pld lore. On one hand we have the crowd pleasing, showboating, swordsman. On the other hand we have a modest, honour-bound, defender of the helpless. They're not totally incompatible, but they certainly don't follow one another. I was definitely expecting Gld to have multiple job branches in the future, until HW came out and squashed that idea. Now I keep hoping against all odds that Pld will get a complete overhaul, similar to the way War did way back in 2.1.

Supposedly, 3.2 will bring the changes we've been hoping to get, but I'm not going to hold my breath. After all the insignificant, or downright bad, changes they've made with Pld in the past, I can't shake the feeling that the upcoming changes will also fall short. That said, if they don't fall short, then I'll be all that much more happy with them; so, I'm still cautiously looking forward to 3.2.