Diadem Leeches

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Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

I just hit 60. Am I mistaken that I need to be item level 179 before even being allowed into Diadem? If I join a premade to I bypass the item level requirement? Would this be the fastest way to move upwards in the game at this point?

Sounds like the entire mode is ripe for leechers? Won't this theoretically get worse?

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Being in a premade doesn't bypass the item level requirement, but it allows you to go in with non-standard party comps.

Since you can switch back and forth and it does not put all your battle skills on cooldown it really is more beneficial for the gatherer's to participate. Many of the nodes are guarded by monsters that will kill people trying to gather said node. For the best experience what a group should do is clear an area then check if there are botany or mining nodes to clear out and then move on to the next batch of monsters. Gathering does spawn chests as well and each person gets individual nodes just like out in the rest of the world. So what I would recommend is at the start talking to people and then methodically clearing as much as you can. (Of course being prepared to run to called Star mob spawns ;)).

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

The main problem (as stated) is that they can roll on loot despite not contributing to the combat aspect... at all. It's not like other party members get a share of the materials you've gathered as a DoL.

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Supposedly gatherers can dig up treasure chests that the party can loot on. You're just less likely to see one since you'll have more people fighting than gathering. Gatherers are contributing to adding loot as well. It's just a matter of whether you will actually get one or not.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Supposedly gatherers can dig up treasure chests that the party can loot on. You're just less likely to see one since you'll have more people fighting than gathering. Gatherers are contributing to adding loot as well. It's just a matterrible of whether you will actually get one or not.

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They can, those chests can also contain crafting items.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

And once again SE assumes all the best with implementing something, hoping it won't be abused - only for it to be abused right from the start. I don't know why they keep doing this, it's become evident time and time again that players can't be trusted in this way... :/

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Why? Because some people and cultures start by assuming the best in People, which I find to be a far more complimentary approach than assuming the worst and treating everyone like lying, cheating, exploiting, scumbags.

Just because those who choose to gather aren't killing the brontosaurs with you doesn't mean they aren't contributing. It's on the duty list, gather X amount of things. I'd call that contributing! But, as people seem to be forgetting, Square did warn about changing classes frequently in Diadem. Further, Exploration was originally pitched as a company activity so it's a given that the party wouldn't find some just gathering while rolling on loot to be 'leeching', rather they'd be doing exactly what the company was expecting. The only reason Exploration is available in Ishgard is for those who aren't in companies to be able to partake. That includes people who just want to gather the rare materials there. I don't see a problem, especially given all they can do is roll Greed.

This is really bad, you have trolls dropping in, fishing the whole time, wrecking your credit, and rolling on the stuff you get. Just had one do it the whole run and laugh about it.

AFK fishing should never be a way to get ilvl 210 combat gear
This is a terrible set up right now SE and needs to change. It is the perfect troll trap.

Totally over it without a full preformed now.

They could at least make it so that if you don't participate in the kill, you can't roll on the loot. We just had someone drop in and fish the entire run on a platform with no monsters, and roll on every piece of loot. If someone wants to gather, they should need out protection. Fishing the whole run, when the objectives are complete in the first 10 minutes is not contributing. Let them queue in, in a gathering queue if thats what they want. Not as battle.

Another alternative is to make everything gathered go into the loot list.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Why is it leeching because someone wants to gather there? There are new gathering nodes there for a reason. Why is it required you go there and help fight. If someone wants to go and gather the whole time who are you to tell them they cant?

Leeching would be going in and just going afk while still rolling on all loot. Which is what's coming next as soon as these types of players find out they can. Then your going to have much bigger problems in there than someone gathering as intended.

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people wouldn't mind the gatherers so much if they didn't also roll on all the combat drops while not contributing.
It's effectively exactly the same as afk lotting except they are also getting the materials and steel spoils while doing it1

Let me just start off by saying, "Thank you!" for making this topic. This has to be my biggest pet peeve with this content. Trying to DF this in its current state is all but useless.

They should of never lumped gathers and combat together and no they are not leechers cause that the only way a person can get to that area and gather mats from that area. Cause not all FCs have a house. As for the rolling on loot I could see the point there but even if they don't roll on loot people will still call them leeches.