Why is BRD considered "support"

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Unfortunately due to human nature if a bard could do competitive or more damage and give support who do you think would be taken - all bards.

Support is party buffing so if the bard loses 15% then your party is gaining tons more in damage than the 15%. That's team work to a degree. You do have the option to not use your songs and do competitive damage though.

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You misunderstand me. I am trying to say they should balance the class around having to use these songs in a way that does not rely on the damage penalty being applied while the songs are up, rather numbers should be tuned around the board to take that into account. For example 3% nerf (just an example) on various abilities while removing the damage penalty from songs.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

You misunderstand me. I am trying to say they should balance the class around having to use these songs in a way that does not rely on the damage penalty being applied while the songs are up, rather numbers should be tuned around the board to take that into account. For example 3% nerf (just an example) on various abilities while removing the damage penalty from songs.

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That "nerf" is to all your abilities though, when you sing.
Another thing they could do is as soon as you stop singing, you lose all mobility (I mean no movement at all or the songs don't work).
You can't be a walking regen, have DPS like a DRG, and run around crazy.

I agree that there does need to be a WD increase...it's been decreasing with each patch, slowly...slowly.... that's all that's needed though (in my opinion).

You basically are support because bard songs are the only reason people bring bards to anything.

It's a good class and bards do plenty of damage regardless, but every other class does more damage, so be happy you have all of them beat in utility.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

You misunderstand me. I am trying to say they should balance the class around having to use these songs in a way that does not rely on the damage penalty being applied while the songs are up, rather numbers should be tuned around the board to take that into account. For example 3% nerf (just an example) on various abilities while removing the damage penalty from songs.

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Well that would mean you would do lower damage while not in song and would mean you are a support only. Why take a BRD when they don't use songs take a BLM, for example, since they do more damage.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

No decent bard would look at a healer who is soon to be OOM and probably cause a wipe and be like "man, I REALLY want to help you out bro but muh deeps!" It just doesn't happen.

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Even better keep an eye on their MP through out the fight and sing when there is a no-dps window or a non dps check window. And as others said the fact we can move and provide all that support is why we are nerfed out of the gate anyway with lower WD. We tend to be the ones that will do mechanics in fights as well while the melee just keep pummeling stuff - though I'm liking that the fights are getting more everyone needs to do stuff then ow there's this one or two things that need to be done that 2 ppl can handle.

I consider myself support for the only reason - DRG and his buff, SMN and his virus, NIN and his Goad and Trick attacks are all kinda replacable, while you always (or almost always XD) need 1 BRD or MCH in progress party.

I don't mind being the lower DPS in exchange for always having a slot in raid party. The only thing I mind are people who expect BRD to do the same damage as other DPS jobs (clearly not talking about A2 Savage here or Ninjas).

I assume they want to class bards like other RPGs have which is usually a support type.

Someone mentioned on Reddit, this leaves/makes room for also potential pure potential glass cannon movement classes which could be speculated a role, Samurai would fit very well.

The previous mobility+DPS was hard to balance with MCH and other classes' DPS balance I imagine, if they were going for 'unique' abilities/roles per class.

I don't consider them support, I consider them a mobile DPS with great utility.

And on fights with movement, and barrages of mechanics, my statics bard can keep up with the rest of the DPS fairly competently, so I'd say they're in a good spot.

Because they do the lowest dps in the game and have great support skills.

they arent support, they are DPS with utility.

support classes , are like the FFXI Bard/CoR , Enchanters/Bard in Eq1/e2, class based around the idea of buffing and debuffing as main mechanic, CAN but no needed, provide dps or healing , overtime devs gave supports dps or healing in order to keep the job in motion because once u are done buffing or debuffing what?

supports jobs are nearly extinct , why? no one play supports jobs , and balancing a game is wayyy harder , create encounter around the idea that there is 1? 2? 3 supports? , what if there is none, the encounter is unbeatable ? if u can beat it w/o supports why have supports in 1 place?

Eq2 raiding scene always has been about utility classes ,24 slots and 8 are for utility :rolleyes:

wow vanilla remember Paladin? the raid time was just keeping blessing up for the whole raid (lol )

rift suffered too (Archon / bard )