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    Xanikk999's Avatar
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    Kalorea Redtail
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    Dragoon Lv 90

    Why is BRD considered "support"

    I was leveling my bard and I just heard they were bad DPS at 60 because they were considered "Support" jobs by Square Enix.

    This has me concerned because it seems to me bards were just singled out. Why? Because all DPS classes have some form of Utility besides just straight DPS. For example:

    DRG have their piercing debuff and that new cooldown they got in heavensward that buffs crit.
    Ninjas have goad.
    Summoners have virus.
    I'm sure monks and black mages have something too.

    So it seems to me that the label of "Support" for bards is a little arbitrary. We have our songs but thats no different than any other classes utility. Why should we suffer lower damage because of that? We apparently aren't any more mobile at 60 either because of wanderers minuet.

    Anyone agree/disagree?
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    People who don't play as Bards consider them support. They can hold their own if the person controlling them knows what they are doing.
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Simply put, I feel like most do it because it's a stereotype for bards in RPGs in general to fit a support role.

    That and the fact that in FFXI, it definitely was a support role.
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Reaper Lv 100
    MCH falls into the same category. The developers (for whatever reason) consider the MP and TP regen abilities of the two classes to be different from the utility-type stuff that other classes have. Army's Paeon and Promoted Rook are AoE whereas Goad is not (up until recently, BRD/MCH had the only option for AoE TP regen, in fact--AST can now provide this as well, but on a pretty limited and random basis). BRD/MCH also have the only way to provide Magic Vulnerability (Foe Requiem and Hypercharged Bishop).

    Whether or not that's enough to warrant their DPS deficit, I don't know. Personally, I'm of the opinion that their DPS should be higher with Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel active than it is now (probably another 10% or so, but that's just a gut number).
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    Tetsu Taru
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alahra View Post
    Personally, I'm of the opinion that their DPS should be higher with Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel active than it is now (probably another 10% or so, but that's just a gut number).
    Just increase the WD on their weapons. The gap between ranged weapons and everyone else has gotten even worse since HW. I can't remember the exact numbers but the # of ilvls behind they are has increased in 3.0.
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    Lulumia Lumia
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    A.) They, by design do comparably less DPS than other classes, although it's not more than 15% or so in optimal situations, (ie target dummy fights/Faust). Anyone who says they aren't, clearly hasn't compared same ilevel weapons between classes and noticed that, by design, BRDs and MCHs have less physical damage than others, ever healers.
    B.) Yeah, MCHs are so similar to BRDs it's insane.
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    For the amount of utility (which is negligibly different enough imo), 15% damage difference is unfair.
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    Hugo Fact
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanikk999 View Post
    For the amount of utility (which is negligibly different enough imo), 15% damage difference is unfair.
    It's called Balance, Bards are not in a bad place that 15% damage reduction is gonna make them a liability.

    All Songs are capable of increasing raid wide DPS in their own way.
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    Aeon Rakshasa
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    Because we "support" the party..
    haha, sorry. Couldn't help it.

    For real though it's because "the devs said so" and that's about it...


    Psst you can be just as mobile if you know what to do. I'm gonna leave this thread now, have fun everyone in here!
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    Because we "support" the party..
    haha, sorry. Couldn't help it.

    For real though it's because "the devs said so" and that's about it...


    Psst you can be just as mobile if you know what to do. I'm gonna leave this thread now, have fun everyone in here!
    Then I will say I think the developers are boneheads. I don't see why they think our difference in utility is worth a 15% damage difference.
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