Yeah, thing about Living Dead that people fail to realize though is the fact once the immunity triggers, it DID its job of not letting you die! From there, it is up to the healer to be smart and make it last longer or just top you off to near 100% where you are no longer at risk of dying! No problem here.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeytheman
Comparing the two abilities individually, I do not see Living Dead as a worse version of Holmgang. I see it on equal footing. BOTH CDs require healer attention or you're dead after the last second ticks out. Neither CD is Hallowed Ground.
Looking on the whole toolkit, WAR can pump its HP back up with equilibrium, Inner Beast and ToB before Holmgang expires and be safe for a few extra seconds... Of course assuming Holmgang wasn't a last resort that was used after blowing those CDs. On the other hand, DRK cannot "save itself" or "extend" life-span after Living Dead ticks by themselves. But that's a class vs class toolkit discussion and not Living Dead vs Holmgang.
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07-31-2015, 03:35 PMPhoenicia
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07-31-2015, 04:24 PMBadRNG
If you have great healer coordination and want to strategically use the skill for a specific cooldown (like soloing ahk morns) the skill is serviceable, it's still not as good as holmgang or hallowed due to the amount of extra effort involved (for no real reward) but it works. As an emergency cooldown though it is pretty terrible. If you were in a big enough lull where both healers can easily be spamming heals on you than you wouldn't of needed the skill to begin with. Someone in the thread argued earlier that it's not supposed to be an emergency cooldown, but holmgang/hallowed can be used for that purpose very effectively so it's a fair comparison to make.
I didn't realize you died if not healed for an amount equal to your HP by the time holmgang ended. I also didn't realize being healed for this amount also preemptively removes holmgang. Those two aspects of the skill, combined with it's much longer cooldown, makes LD clearly inferior to holmgang.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDamned
The only strengths LD has over holmgang is that it doesn't root you, and that it doesn't require a target to activate. Neither of those justify the far bigger issues the skill has, or it's terrible cooldown time (for what you get). -
08-01-2015, 04:50 AMTeneaux
Would people like Living Dead more if the Walking Dead didn't go away after the healing requirement was met? Like you're healed for 100% but still unkillable for whatever duration was left?
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08-01-2015, 04:56 AMDisc
I don't mind how Living Dead works, I would just like the buff to be more flashy so healers/OTs see it. Remove the red glow from Darkside & stick it on Walking Dead with big red numbers counting down in place of the status icon. Can even take it a step further & give Living Dead that black glow people have wanted so much to warn healers when it's coming up.
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08-01-2015, 04:59 AMTouchandFeel
@ Teneaux
Yes I most definitely would, although that would somewhat make Living Dead better than Holmgang as is would have more effective uptime due to the extra time you are taking damage before Walking Dead goes active.
Really the first thing they need to do is provide some actual visual feedback to the ability so that it is very apparent when the Walking Dead state becomes active. Once that is done, the ability can be reevaluatd to see if any other changes need to happen.
Edit: On second thought, my reservations about Living Dead then having more uptime than Holmgang are actually quite unfounded. A WAR would just wait to pop Holmgang right before they die, so that kind of negates the "extra" time Living Dead would be up before Walking Dead goes active. With that in mind, the immunity going away from being healed and the fact that a healer won't wait until the last second before dispelling the effect actually results in Living Dead having less effective uptime. So much for the mythical 20 second uptime. -
08-01-2015, 06:00 AMmonkeythemanThats what i put in the original post XD only i bumped the healing requirement down to 20-25% of your max hp to remove the insta-death portion, retaining the holmgang-esque effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teneaux
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08-01-2015, 06:02 AMmonkeythemanI would love for walking dead to be far more obvious when it activates. Biggest thing this skill needs it to make it so that the "cannot be reduced below 1 hp while active" portion isnt removed by the healer doing their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disc
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08-01-2015, 08:51 AMDomira
Living dead is bad and it definitely needs to be changed in some way.
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08-01-2015, 11:10 AMYumi_umi
Boss gives healing down debuff on drk, proceeds to buster him.
Tank pops living dead. Non whms spamming their CDs trying to hit that threshold but because of the healing debuff they have to spam even more. T5 comes to mind when twin gives u tht debuff ( red thingy ). All a whm has to do is pop benediction lol, no mp wasted xD.
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08-01-2015, 11:21 AMPhoenicia1- Twintania wasn't meant to be solo tanked and tanks were supposed to swap after DS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yumi_umi
2- Ramuh Ex's "tank buster" ignores mitigation. PLD dies even if HG was up, same for WAR with Holmgang. Why should DRK be different?
Outside of those scenarios that are irrelevant at this point, how is Living Dead "failing" at its job if it prevents dying when the status starts. And how is it bad that a healer "cancels" the "buff" by healing you a 100% of your HP and you are NO LONGER at risk of dying?
Living Dead isn't better than HG, but it's not bad.