BRD/MCH look here

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Originally Posted by Panasync

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Yeah, I was salty about GB when I first got it after spending so many hours leveling MCH. I can only imagine how annoying it must be for BRD after a couple years of playing the class. Still, I have to agree with the WM, it's here whether people like it or not.

So in other words, for people who hate the play style of caster bard. We get a nice big middle finger? Whatever.

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

Ugh... BRD and MCH are going to require more than this to fix the dumphole they have been thrown into. But I am surprised these changes rolled out already, I expect more change to come, hopefully soon. I don't want to relearn BRD only to have it changed later.

Personally, I think dropping Minuet completely is the best way to handle this situation and add another ability that works in a similar way (minus cast time) while still adding a risk factor. Guess we just gotta keep complaining until they do something lol This isn't something trivial like hair model clipping or farms, this is a major mechanic in the game that NEEDS to be addressed.

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Ehhh, my problem was WM was barley a dps increase, high risk low reward thing.

But if these tweaks actually make it a significant increase/high risk high reward then you will have no complaints from me.

I prefer the old playstyle but willing to "relearn" if it means being able to compete with caster DPS.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

So in other words, for people who hate the play style of caster bard. We get a nice big middle finger? Whatever.

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Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

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Originally Posted by ChalupaBatman

Ehhh, my problem was WM was barley a dps increase, high risk low reward thing.

But if these tweaks actually make it a significant increase/high risk high reward then you will have no complaints from me.

I prefer the old playstyle but willing to "relearn" if it means being able to compete with caster DPS.

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I have a feeling if there is an increase it will be minor, it's more of a nerf to non-WM making WM look better, than just a buff to WM to make it worth using in and of itself.

We BRD's don't care about catching up to the DPS levels of other classes! BRD is a support class! If a BRD does not know that, there are serious problems! I have as much fun trying to max out my dps in raids with no regards to other DPS classes, cos we are bloody support. I like singing Foes and Ballad to support my team, even if it means I lose my own DPS. That's what a BRD is suppose to be.

Sure there may be people before who once complained that BRD's have low DPS comparatively, then I say they are playing the wrong class. If I want to stand on one side and cast skills, I'll go and play BLM! But I want to play BRD, not a hybrid Red Bard...

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Originally Posted by Lyaha

I'm gonna give it a shot, but it's still not a play style change that I wanted, now the play style I've enjoyed got even more nerfed, can you at least see that as a negative?

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Why, I refuse such things! You must be positive about everything! Nah, you're right. Your frustration is understandable.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

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Naw more like they look at it as Use it or don't but don't come complain to use about your subpar dps

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

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If the job was intended to be that way from the start, I would probably agree. The fact is that from 2.0 up until 3.0 that's not how the job was intended to play, MCH you could make the argument, BRD is a different story.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Pretty much. It's either use WM or play something else because that's the intended way to play it.

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Bad Game design 101.Class homogenization and changing a core design on what makes a class fun is a great way to piss off fans. Well whatever, I am not a long term bard, as bard was the only class I enjoyed the combat style with. I will just go back to being a crafter/ah player.

Still, it blows that I at last found a fun play style just to have it changed so much that it is not the class I want anymore.