MCH... I'm done.

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Originally Posted by Ephemiel

Imagine if Bards had this RNG thing, imagine if Dragoons or Ninjas had it.

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Just for arguments sake, classes with a good portion of how other classes can play having RNG aspects built in:

Bloodletter CD resetting due to the RNG of your dots crit'ing. 2.0 BLM numbers change wildly depending on RNG Crit and RNG Firestarter/Thundercloud Procs, WHM MP can be saved immensely by RNG free procs to cure 2 and cure 3, 2.0 PLD Bulwark…

It was common to go several rotations and never see a Firestarter at 40%. You might not think so but those free fire 3's really do change how high your numbers would go.

SE will find a way to max the class play well. Let's wait until the raid opens up and then we'll really have a good benchmark to use to gauge our classes. Comparing dummy DPS numbers doesn't really mean a whole lot and I've never felt that Extreme Primals were necessarily that great either. Just ask monks from the days when Titan was the endgame.

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Originally Posted by Clarkamite

Just for arguments sake, classes with a good portion of how other classes can play having RNG aspects built in:

Bloodletter CD resetting due to the RNG of your dots crit'ing. 2.0 BLM numbers change wildly depending on RNG Crit and RNG Firestarter/Thundercloud Procs, WHM MP can be saved immensely by RNG free procs to cure 2 and cure 3, 2.0 PLD Bulwark…

It was common to go several rotations and never see a Firestarter at 40%. You might not think so but those free fire 3's really do change how high your numbers would go.

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Alright, now weaken those class's damage or, in the WHM's case, heals to the point where people actually say that the healers do more damage [for WHM, idk, imagine stuff like Bloodbath healing more than WHM for the sake of this argument].

I don't mind that it has RNG necessarily, i dislike that that fact i'm forced to stay there using the same ability over and over in the hopes it decides to proc.

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Originally Posted by Snowaeth

Not mine, so cut out the names.
http://i18.servimg.com/u/f18/14/22/88/02/mch_pa10.jpg

That AST is out of party

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I'm guessing this parse is inflated due to heartbreak procs using Mist dummies.

Well this thread took on a life of its own, wasn't really expecting 4 pages of answers.

Just to clarify, i really do like the class, i don't mind the fact that i have to stand there spamming my Split Shot just hoping for a proc after i have used everything on Wildfire and waiting for my off-gcd/cd abilities to come online, it wouldn't be a problem if only the procs were worth it and actually felt satisfying, but as it stands, the proc's that i do get feel like a filler move that doesnt accomplish anything to use while waiting for my 30/60/90sec cooldowns to be ready.

I do like the class abilities(Most of them... Rend Mind and Dismantle sharing a 90sec cooldown makes me cringe...), and that i have to pay attention to the skills and turret placements, but for the moment, the amount of work i have to put in isnt worth it comparing it to the numbers that i parse.

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Originally Posted by Ricdeau

Yeah, I noticed that after posting, and corrected my post to reflect my mistake. 1k still isn't very impressive to be honest though.

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Keep in mind that Wildfire isn't tracked in the main parse of ACT.

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Originally Posted by SasakiNori

Keep in mind that Wildfire isn't tracked in the main parse of ACT.

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Gets picked up just fine for me.

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Originally Posted by Odowla

Gets picked up just fine for me.

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Not for me. It shows up fine under incomming damage on the dummy, but it's not included in my outgoing damage and dps.