RIP WHM/SCH

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I was wondering.

New action: Emergency Tactics
Instead of adding a barrier effect to Adloquium, this action will give addition healing power for the amount of the effect of the barrier.

This basically makes an Adlo a worse Cure II. What's the point?

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How do you figure? Say Adloquium heals the target for 1200 hp. That means that the target also gets a 1200 hp shield on top of that, for a total "recovery" of 2400 hp. However, if adloquium crits the target, it heals for say 1800 hp and then the target in turn get a double shield effect which equals 3600 hp.

So what have we learned from this? If a scholar uses Emergency Tactics and does not crit adloquium, it will heal for about 2400 hp tentatively. If a scholar uses Emergency Tactics and crits the target with adloqium, they will receive a 3600+1800 = 5400 heal! That is pretty damn sexy imo, especially when the whm is tied up party healing and aetherflow stacks are gone.

Now if I am misunderstanding how this is gonna work, then I will feel dumb. But so far this is how I understand it. Keep stacking crit scholars!

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Originally Posted by Radacci

she said that sharp cast for blm, would apply proc as an effect, and that would be helpful.......proc isn't an effect.....she was bad cause she doesn't know game terminology.
it ensures crit, if i heard correctly from Yoshi talking.

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No, she was correct. It has nothing to do with Crit. It applies the proc effect. Her wording was weird, but if you actually watched the demonstration it was clear what she said did match what happened in game.

New ability: Sharpcast
After using this ability, the next spell you cast will grant you a guaranteed proc. You’ll want to use this when you want to get a proc with Thunder or Fire. The timing of this ability will also be important.

Taken from here. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Digest-Thread

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Yeah, but why not just have a WHM do that instead? What will happen is they will use their big heal when you use yours and nothing will happen (due to overheal). A scholar is better at sustained healing, not big heals and regens. With WHMs having 2 regens now they will probably be a lot better.

Turning Adlo into a HUGE shield, I could see that and would LOVE that. But a big heal? Why? Just play WHM.

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What if you are solo-healing? Or there is mechanics that ignore Galvanize/Stoneskin similar to Convert? Or what if there are mechanics that work based on current HP % where lower HP means bad things?

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

I still don't see the point, sorry. "Healing up" or "Shielding up" is basically the same thing. More shield means more HP - it is LITERALLY the same thing as healing more, with the advantage that you can safely overheal with it.

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Raw Healing and Shield Healing are NOT the same. They are drastically different and have different uses. Adloquium and Succor often suffer greatly for having half their potency tied to the shield (more on Succor than Adlo because of the crit effect on Adlo) but being able to OPTIONALLY turn Adloquium into a stronger raw means you can heal heavy damage more reliably without having to resort to weaving in Lustrate and use up excessive Aetherflow charges you might want to use on something else such as Sacred Soil and Energy Drain or even Bane (or maybe whatever else they'll add that consumes Aetherflow).
Saying "WHM/AST can do it" is just really dumb, then you may as well just accept that people rather take WHM+AST in their compositions because SCH are too stubborn to utilize a good optional tool "because the other healer can do it".

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this helping out double scholar comps. Adlos don't stack, afterall.

I almost spit my tea when I see WHM get "Sacret Soil" skill-look-alike lol. But about the sacrificing fairy... I think it's for balancing the MP consumption with WHM's Cure III?

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Dude, I agree with you. Not sure why you are quoting me :P

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Sorry, >~< I have been having trouble seeing today.

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Originally Posted by desufin

What if you are solo-healing? Or there is mechanics that ignore Galvanize/Stoneskin similar to Convert? Or what if there are mechanics that work based on current HP % where lower HP means bad things?


Raw Healing and Shield Healing are NOT the same. They are drastically different and have different uses. Adloquium and Succor often suffer greatly for having half their potency tied to the shield (more on Succor than Adlo because of the crit effect on Adlo) but being able to OPTIONALLY turn Adloquium into a stronger raw means you can heal heavy damage more reliably without having to resort to weaving in Lustrate and use up excessive Aetherflow charges you might want to use on something else such as Sacred Soil and Energy Drain or even Bane (or maybe whatever else they'll add that consumes Aetherflow).
Saying "WHM/AST can do it" is just really dumb, then you may as well just accept that people rather take WHM+AST in their compositions because SCH are too stubborn to utilize a good optional tool "because the other healer can do it".

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If i'm solo healing there shouldn't be any problems with needing to heal anyone solo, mostly its the group that needs help more then the tank. In which succor would of been a lot better.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Medica_II Stacks.

Succor does not.

You "NEVER" want 2 Scholars. You want 1.

Honestly though, the barrier regen, the normal regen, and medica II regen all together looks SEXY and fun.

I don't think the new WHM skill is going to work like Sacred Soil, even though it looks very similar. I am guessing it will be a heal over time for everyone who is in the bubble (vs. a damage reduction like SS).

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I don't think the new WHM skill is going to work like Sacred Soil, even though it looks very similar. I am guessing it will be a heal over time for everyone who is in the bubble (vs. a damage reduction like SS).

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They said it's a regen field on the stream.

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Originally Posted by Mendalas

So what have we learned from this? If a scholar uses Emergency Tactics and does not crit adloquium, it will heal for about 2400 hp tentatively. If a scholar uses Emergency Tactics and crits the target with adloqium, they will receive a 3600+1800 = 5400 heal! That is pretty damn sexy imo

Now if I am misunderstanding how this is gonna work, then I will feel dumb. But so far this is how I understand it. Keep stacking crit scholars!

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I am not sure I grasp your reasoning there.

Assuming that the Crit proc of Adlo also applies when Emergency is active (and this is still not confirmed), it will be 1200 heal + 2400 heal (conversion double shield). That is 3600. Not sure where your 5400 comes from.

I would take a 3600 shield over a 3600 heal ANY day. There is no situation where a heal is better than a shield, unless there will be mechanics which ignore shields. In that case, lol, f**k scholar.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I don't think the new WHM skill is going to work like Sacred Soil, even though it looks very similar. I am guessing it will be a heal over time for everyone who is in the bubble (vs. a damage reduction like SS).

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Yeah I agree, the skill seems more like Sacred Prism than Sacred Soil.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...94#post2975294
"There are abilities, such as Asylum, that creates a healing field"