About 3.1 Relic

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Originally Posted by Wizarus

This is the main issue, why invest in yet another relic? If you're just going to take a dump on the months of grinding any millions of gil sunk into it, only to completely make your efforts obsolete? This pretty much magnifies the fact that the relic quest is just horribly designed.

This hurts newer players more than anyone else, as they were not able to take advantage of "the best weapon in the game" for a reasonable period of time, and now they are stuck with a soon-to-be obsolete weapon, with no refund of investments.

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I'm sorry, you aren't entitled to be supremely advantaged till the end of times in this game.

I don't see the few people who cleared Turn 5 complaining that their hard earned Twintania progression when no one knew how to do Twisters was made pointless by subsequent turns and new gear.

Get used to the fact you can't buy/grind your way into permanent advantage.

Was it same in 1.0? Lvl 80 relic was horrible grind but after 2.0 you get it easily by doing some primals?

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Was it same in 1.0? Lvl 80 relic was horrible grind but after 2.0 you get it easily by doing some primals?

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Yes, it was exactly the same. They promised the same thing too (that relic progress in 1.0 would transfer to 2.0) and it never happened.

It amazes me people feel the need to have an advantage just because they mindlessly grinded for a weapon.

Does this mean FCoB raiders can feel the same way? "I cleared T13, so I want to have a head start for Alexander". Should crafters feel the same way too? Because that one would be fun.

It's not only the relic content that gets a reset. I find it rediculous enough people even think it should be considered. What about people who will start at 3.0? What would happen if they had to go through all the trouble to catch up, even when nerfed?

Typical "me, me, I, I, I" culture..

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Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk

I'm sorry, you aren't entitled to be supremely advantaged till the end of times in this game.

I don't see the few people who cleared Turn 5 complaining that their hard earned Twintania progression when no one knew how to do Twisters was made pointless by subsequent turns and new gear.

Get used to the fact you can't buy/grind your way into permanent advantage.

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Completely missing the point. This isn't hurting veteran players who have millions of millions of gil and had there relic weapon since the beginning since they already got a return on investments for using the best weapon in the game.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

I will be legitimately crying for all the maxed Crit/Det relic holders out there if all that Gil sunk becomes meaningless.

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This is silly. I made a full crit/det relic and only spent maybe 2,000,000 on materia (This is when crit IV and det IV were both going for 600,000-700,000). You just have to spend your timedollars crafting and spirit bonding.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

It amazes me people feel the need to have an advantage just because they mindlessly grinded for a weapon.

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Yes, a weapon that took a year's worth of patches to complete is totally equivalent to weapons that randomly drop fully formed from a boss with no extra work.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

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So according to what you just said , why don't we all get a free Lv50 account in heavesward?

Because I find your point genuinely persuading and well elaborated. Since all the people who are starting heavensward will be hard to catch up, SE should totally give all the beginners a full Lv50 account to toy with.

Oh don't forget, let's just get rid of the money system as well, since someone who has been hard working his or her butt off on crafting or gathering does not need to have an advantage on money too.

All classes should be designed into simple, elegant one-button skill tree that does not require any gaming skills. It's simple enough that players can just press one button to maximize their DPS because mindlessly honing skills with time to try to figure out how to play video game is no bueno.

Go straight ahead and turn right, there's utopia.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Yes, a weapon that took a year's worth of patches to complete is totally equivalent to weapons that randomly drop fully formed from a boss with no extra work.

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eh. some people think dreadwyrm weapons are harder to obtain, some think zeta weapons are harder to obtain. they're pretty much the same.

The entitlement in this thread is ridiculous. Do some of you seriously think you should never have to work for a better weapon ever again?

No other reward for grinding out your zeta besides a slightly easier path to the 3.1 relic? What about, oh I don't know, your zeta weapon? Remember? The actual quest reward?

You got multiple zetas? Good for you. No one ever promised any reward from this quest besides the weapon. I was pleasantly surprised there was *any* advantage to having a Zeta relic as far as the 3.1 relic quest goes.

I'm also happy that's all we got. I would rather not have to grind for a 2nd or 3rd Zeta weapon in order to start a Heavensward relic for any of my other classes.