WHM Appreciation

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Originally Posted by firstsin

"Lustrate is a waste of an Aetherflow stack."

WHM are really are IMO the better healers. When played correctly and heals are timed correctly it shows how great it is.

"lack of raw healing power does hold the Job back"

"SCH must use up their stacks burn through a bunch of MP and when done their efficiency drops until their next Aetherflow."

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Please tell me what I should use aetherflow on? You have 4 choices: Bane, Energy Drain, Lustrate and Sacred Soil. Lustrate is a great choice if your raid does not need you to DPS.

SCH can be just as great healers & put out a lot of healing if you prep. Rouse + Whispering Dawn + Fey Illumination + Succor will handle anything.

Burn a bunch of MP? SCH has ridiculous MP recovery.

SCH is getting lots of new tools in heavensward, including burst heal. If your reasoning for WHM being better simply due to burst heals, get ready to pass the crown over to SCH. ♥

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Originally Posted by Lumis

Please tell me what I should use aetherflow on? You have 4 choices: Bane, Energy Drain, Lustrate and Sacred Soil. Lustrate is a great choice if your raid does not need you to DPS.

SCH can be just as great healers & put out a lot of healing if you prep. Rouse + Whispering Dawn + Fey Illumination + Succor will handle anything.

Burn a bunch of MP? SCH has ridiculous MP recovery.

SCH is getting lots of new tools in heavensward, including burst heal. If your reasoning for WHM being better simply due to burst heals, get ready to pass the crown over to SCH. ♥

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You'll be using aetherflow on your new burst heal, so you'll need to decide whether lustrate or aoe healing is more necessary for that charge. White mage will continue to burst heal on demand while managing their mp. The current paradigm doesn't seem to be in peril to me, astrologian notwithstanding.

Heavensward isn't even out yet and we've got people saying sch is going take away from some of the whm's utility and strongpoints, much less we also don't know how whm's/sch will continue to work together in battle in HW and each individually with Astrologian. I knew a thread simply giving the whm the appreciation I feel they deserve was just too good to be true. *insert random rip whm/sch comment here*

Also Whm love <3.

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Originally Posted by firstsin

WHM is as much pre-emptive healing as a SCH.

Low skilled healers will heal after damage is taken.

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...and nope.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

After the first line your post became so full of wrong it almost hurt to read.

I love playing WHM. But I would never think that a SCH who is equally skilled couldn't do just as well. Yes a WHM can heal a group easier, but a SCH isn't so weak that the raid would die. Also, leveling my SCH again has shown me that the fairy and Adlo are ridic.

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People love to ignore the developers intentions:
1) WHM = Raw healing, and you're given plenty of warning when to cast when a Boss AOE comes up. If you've been keeping everyone nearly full HP the entire time like you're supposed to, then you time it just as the AOE lands and nobody dies.
2) SCH = Shielding, again you're given plenty of warning when to cast when the Boss AOE comes up. Unlike the WHM, you can throw the shielding out several seconds in advance and then have the fairy stack healing effects if you're using Eos.

When you're in a 8-man party, the stacking effects can make it so that little damage lands that it feels like you're not doing enough. Regardless of the party configuration.

The only wrong thing "low skilled" healers do is cast high-MP-usage healing-spells when there is no damage being taken.

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Why did the other WHM cast Medica II when everyone including the tank still has Stoneskin? This is the trademark of the "low-skilled" WHM.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

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Why did the other WHM cast Medica II when everyone including the tank still has Stoneskin? This is the trademark of the "low-skilled" WHM.

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Both of those healers are at full MP, it would be low skill not to use something and waste your natural MP regeneration, maybe they are topping everyone off before dpsing themselfs?

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

Both of those healers are at full MP, it would be low skill not to use something and waste your natural MP regeneration, maybe they are topping everyone off before dpsing themselfs?

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Still no excuse to cast Medica II at full-HP, which generates very high aggro by overhealing. If they wanted to do something like that they should be playing SCH instead and using Succor. Do something useful like pop-in Cleric Stance, toss some DoTs and stones.

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Originally Posted by technole

Still no excuse to cast Medica II at full-HP, which generates very high aggro by overhealing. If they wanted to do something like that they should be playing SCH instead and using Succor. Do something useful like pop-in Cleric Stance, toss some DoTs and stones.

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In that picture there are three BLMs all with Raging Strikes up and (should be) about to use Convert so an AoE could save up to 2 GCDs healing. Not that it is necessarily needed or helpful either way but that could technically be considered a DPS increase but neither of the WHMs are in Cleric Stance who knows...

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

People love to ignore the developers intentions:

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Not nearly as much as you love to assume the developers' intentions.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

1) WHM = Raw healing, and you're given plenty of warning when to cast when a Boss AOE comes up. If you've been keeping everyone nearly full HP the entire time like you're supposed to, then you time it just as the AOE lands and nobody dies.
2) SCH = Shielding, again you're given plenty of warning when to cast when the Boss AOE comes up. Unlike the WHM, you can throw the shielding out several seconds in advance and then have the fairy stack healing effects if you're using Eos.

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You just gave examples supporting the position with which it appeared that you were about to disagree....

Both Jobs need to anticipate damage to be successful. No, you obviously don't do this on WHM by dropping healbombs before damage has occurred; what it means is what you describe: you time your heals to coincide with telegraphed damage. This is WHM "pre-emptive" healing. What most of us are counseling people not to do is to ignore patterns and act like it's a surprise whenever someone loses HP, which is what less skilled healers tend to do.

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Originally Posted by Talia_Hailwind

Both of those healers are at full MP, it would be low skill not to use something and waste your natural MP regeneration, maybe they are topping everyone off before dpsing themselfs?

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This was 20 seconds into the fight. That was the first thing that healer cast.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Not nearly as much as you love to assume the developers' intentions.

You just gave examples supporting the position with which it appeared that you were about to disagree....

Both Jobs need to anticipate damage to be successful. No, you obviously don't do this on WHM by dropping healbombs before damage has occurred; what it means is what you describe: you time your heals to coincide with telegraphed damage. This is WHM "pre-emptive" healing. What most of us are counseling people not to do is to ignore patterns and act like it's a surprise whenever someone loses HP, which is what less skilled healers tend to do.

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The Nope was directed at the "Low skilled healers will heal after damage is taken." Which my argument is "No, low-skilled healers don't know what tool is right."

Spamming Medica II at every opportunity, like the healer in that screenshot was doing, had me healing Alliance C more often because Alliance C was unable to kick their SCH who died and stayed dead for two fights.

Oh hey, I have part of this run on Twitch benchmark (trying to calibrate stream bandwidth.) This wasn't a very good run in itself with players ignoring adds, and the tank's not tanking.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

Spamming Medica II at every opportunity, like the healer in that screenshot was doing, had me healing Alliance C more often because Alliance C was unable to kick their SCH who died and stayed dead for two fights.

Oh hey, I have part of this run on Twitch benchmark (trying to calibrate stream bandwidth.) This wasn't a very good run in itself with players ignoring adds, and the tank's not tanking.

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So I actually took a few minutes and watched part of the stream. I randomly landed on the Scylla fight.

Before anything else, kudos for posting gameplay. I know people love to play backseat driver and pick apart mistakes, but for what it's worth, my commentary here is intended to be constructive.

1. Yes, that other WHM in your party was terrible. About the only thing I saw it doing in my slice of video was casting Medica II once in a while, usually when no one actually needed it. Whether they're Facebook healing or truly don't know what to do, I have no way of determining, but they are playing badly.

2. While you are doing much more than the other WHM to assist your party, you also happen to be overhealing quite a bit with a lot of unnecessary Cures, Cure IIs, and some gratuitous Medica casts. Your party actually had a lot of healing downtime except during some specific parts where Freezes, Unholies, and add AoEs were making a dent in your low-geared DPS. There were many cases where the bad WHM's Medica II ticks would have topped someone off before they could take enough damage to endanger them; in other cases, slapping a Regen on them would have done fine. I'm a big fan of "set-it-and-forget-it" healing for DPS in non-lethal situations.

3. Don't be afraid to toggle on CS if you're going to throw DoTs. By the time you've cast your DoTs, your CS will be about off cooldown so that you can instantly return to healing if you need to, anyway. Even lower-geared players like your party in that fight pretty much have to TRY to stand in AoEs to be killed before you're able to switch off CS and fluff them back up.