[dev 1032] What's wrong with job/subjob again?

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Originally Posted by Reika

I say bland because people are calling this newer system bland, even though you can fully customize your character with various skills and spells, to create something far beyond your basic jobs. You can turn your gladiator into a paladin, or turn your gladiator into a dark knight (still 1-h but the spells are still there).

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Sounds great till it actually gets played. All you have now are ARC because range can defeat AOE. Nothing else matters.

It's like the a sad comparison, because no matter what FF11 is, FF14 is infinitely more broken. Pot-kettle would need to be a incredibly nuked one in this case.

More fixing, less finger pointing.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Sounds great till it actually gets played. All you have now are ARC because range can defeat AOE. Nothing else matters.

It's like the a sad comparison, because no matter what FF11 is, FF14 is infinitely more broken. Pot-kettle would need to be a incredibly nuked one in this case.

More fixing, less finger pointing.

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People will play the game how they want. If people are going to start and ARC bandwagon cuz they are scared of an AOE attack, so be it. Some people acually like punching or chopping things up close.

And like I always say, the door to FFXI and other MMO's is always open.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

I love the current system. FFXI no more, please!

People is like a bird that born in a cage here. FFXIV gave players freedom to play the way they want, and still they prefer to be under tremendous gameplay restrictions like was in FFXI. This is not FFXI-2 (and hopefully never will be)...accept the freedom the game give to players, try and have fun! ^^

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^this Without this freedom to play, FF has nothing to offer. Sadly, but if I search an old concept game, I can point my finger over 100 or more games.

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Originally Posted by Reika

The Job/sub job did not create unique characters at all. "a paladin is a paladin is a paladin" is how that old job went. If you werent Pld/War you were crap. You really want that old "Bland" system back.

I say bland because people are calling this newer system bland, even though you can fully customize your character with various skills and spells, to create something far beyond your basic jobs. You can turn your gladiator into a paladin, or turn your gladiator into a dark knight (still 1-h but the spells are still there).

I suggest those who are complaining about the class skill system try ranking up more than 1 or 2 jobs and you will see.

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So how exactly will this system be any different as far as being unique from FFXI? Down the road you're still going to have people who desire certain abilities to be used for the classes and shun those who don't cope with the norm. Your view on FFXI & FFXIV is irrelevent at best with your topics. Like someone said up above. "If this game's class system was perfect, why would people be complaining about it?"

And just so you know. Look down at my card down below this. If you'll notice, I've leveled every job. So far? Boring. The only reason why I like Lancer over the rest right now is because of Speed Surge being a class specific(Really it's weapon specific) trait that really shakes it apart from the others in my opinion.

What needs to happen is that abilities need to be turned into class specific rather than you being able to use it on whatever class you want.

Fact: A Marauder shouldn't have MP to use for Cure, Protect, Shell, etc.

Fact: A Pugilist shouldn't be able to use weaponskill's from another class whose weaponskills base off being slashing or piercing when their weapons are blunt based.

Fact: The current system needs drastic changes to improve upon so a much more pleased crowd can be obtained. (I believe ~80% approved in the questionaire?)

False: This game is better than FFXI in terms of being unique to a certain degree.

You can not be unique if you have a hall pass to every ability with minimal consequences.

of all the good things, subjobs aren't a thing i wanna see in a new game. It's a pretty much rigid structure, where you need to have a certain subjob to be good. Obliusly everybody should exp their jobs for a certain ability, but at least now you have some much customization

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Originally Posted by Lienn

I love the current system. FFXI no more, please!

People is like a bird that born in a cage here. FFXIV gave players freedom to play the way they want, and still they prefer to be under tremendous gameplay restrictions like was in FFXI. This is not FFXI-2 (and hopefully never will be)...accept the freedom the game give to players, try and have fun! ^^

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Yeah I agree with this one, sorry I havn't had a chance to read through all the posts, will do in second. To me, having this sort of freedom to customize your character to what you will it, is awesome. Have any of you never played The Elder Scrolls? I mean, being able to have a healer type, wielding a bow and arrow was awesome! I love that sort of freedom, and I am glad there is now an MMO that gives you that type of game play. Why would anyone want to change it? Just me I guess...and mybe a few others :P

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Originally Posted by Kimahri

So how exactly will this system be any different as far as being unique from FFXI? Down the road you're still going to have people who desire certain abilities to be used for the classes and shun those who don't cope with the norm. Your view on FFXI & FFXIV is irrelevent at best with your topics. Like someone said up above. "If this game's class system was perfect, why would people be complaining about it?"

And just so you know. Look down at my card down below this. If you'll notice, I've leveled every job. So far? Boring. The only reason why I like Lancer over the rest right now is because of Speed Surge being a class specific(Really it's weapon specific) trait that really shakes it apart from the others in my opinion.

What needs to happen is that abilities need to be turned into class specific rather than you being able to use it on whatever class you want.

Fact: A Marauder shouldn't have MP to use for Cure, Protect, Shell, etc.

Fact: A Pugilist shouldn't be able to use weaponskill's from another class whose weaponskills base off being slashing or piercing when their weapons are blunt based.

Fact: The current system needs drastic changes to improve upon so a much more pleased crowd can be obtained. (I believe ~80% approved in the questionaire?)

False: This game is better than FFXI in terms of being unique to a certain degree.

You can not be unique if you have a hall pass to every ability with minimal consequences.

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Who says a MRD shouldn't have MP? Or a PUG can't use other WS? Who died and left you in charge of what is right or not? I like having my melee character having MP. I turn my PUG into a lovely tank :) I like being able to have taunt, and cure, and pro :) It's fun :) I don't want someone telling me how I should spend my points to make my character. I went through the time to level it, I want it the way I want it. And if you chose to have your abilities limited, no one is stopping you from doing so. You want your MRD to not have magic, then don't spend points to put magic on it. Plain and simple. Restrict yourself, and let those who enjoy mixing it up, mix it up. Yeesh! >_<

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i much prefer this system. i do not want the sub job system at all.

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Quoted for truthiness.

I prefer the current system but like others have said, it could use some restrictions. I think a fair limitation to impose would be you can only equip abilities from your own discipline, like DoW is one category, DoM would be another. Or maybe since some might be in between (DRK if it ever makes it to XIV) put a trait on the guild marks vendor for rank 50 that allows you to "buy" a slot or two for another discipline.

All hail super cheat characters. Where there's no weaknesses and losing once means being able to immediately adapt on the fly.

We are the Borg, resistance is futile.

In the end it's opposing theories. You can't have a magical change character and still retain the dignity of fighting "fair"