Specialist tier confirmed for crafting

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Profit isn't the only issue with everyone being able to make everything. The bigger issue is that there's nothing to do with your profit. Why should I buy anything when I can make all of it myself? There are very few things to spend gil on.

The issue goes both ways.

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Except that there will always be people that don't craft and that will buy stuff from the MB. This issue has always been about the low prices on the MB.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Did... you even read what I said? As a crafter, there's nothing for me to buy, because I can make it all myself. There is no real point for me to make any profit.

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Last time I checked there were still stuff in this game that can only be bought with gil.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Except that there will always be people that don't craft and that will buy stuff from the MB. This issue has always been about the low prices on the MB.

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Did... you even read what I said? As a crafter, there's nothing for me to buy, because I can make it all myself. There is no real point for me to make any profit.

Speculation-wise (based on what sucks in other games)

The entire Craft-then-desynth mechanism is always broken. Items should be crafted because there is a demand, and desynthed when there is a glut. Unfortunately the materials (in other games) tends to be a tiny fraction of the original materials, so the entire mechanic winds up being a way to give a reason to craft stuff nobody wants. This is broken.

Specialization type of mechanics in other games is mainly a way gate resource management. So instead of having every player, and illegal RMT bot flooding the market with whatever is the most profitable, it reduces it to just the specialization. People who are very much in love with the crafting system may build extra characters just to do this, but the reality is that most people aren't going to except bots.

So let's say... the Specialization works like the current class/job system does for ACN/SMN/SCH, where you can only "tune" one or the other job specialization. This doesn't necessarily mean you can't do both, but maybe it results in "specialization" being easier to craft without maxed out gear, while non-specialization makes it very-hard to craft, though with the best possible gear it may still have a chance.

Like, I don't know, I always found desynth mechanics a bit of a betrayal to the crafting system. It would, and should, always be crafted items being BiS gear, while dungeon gear is only equal to the BiS Crafted gear of that level. Not craft trash and desynth... for what? Who uses crafted gear then? You're lucky if you can even sell any crafted gear.

See: Desynth.

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Originally Posted by Aerowaffle

It's supporting the use of alts, which I don't think is the direction SE should go. Why go through all this trouble of allowing your character to be every class (gathering and crafting included), only to veer off here?

How do you think people would take it if SE announced that you would "specialize" in a single battle class as well?

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You already do specialize via relic. Only the insane would get a relic for every class.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Except that there will always be people that don't craft and that will buy stuff from the MB. This issue has always been about the low prices on the MB.

Last time I checked there were still stuff in this game that can only be bought with gil.

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She has a good point though!
The highest tier crafting mats are gotten from gathering (again, you can do that on your own) with others being available at to buy with Tomes and GC seals.

Literally there is NOTHING you can't do on your own if you have the patience!


This systems will force players to choose their favorite crafter, choose one to profit from, and let everyone else have a reason to spend gil beyond the game's current single gill-sink, housing. And really, if we have to choose ONE you will see all the classes getting specialists. GSM and WVR will be the obvious choices, but this specialist system makes me want to learn more about CRP and LTW!

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

He pretty much only told us the name of the system, but yeah, it does suggest that they're going to force specializations and make it so we won't be able to craft everything.

Honestly, when the game was released I loved crafting, but they keep ruining it to appease the people whining about everyone being able to craft everything so they can't jack up prices and have a "good economy".

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Yeah hitting a 2 star macro that worked every time was the height of crafting, I hate how it is engaging now and actually requires decision making! Argh healthy economies make me mad!

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Why should I buy anything when I can make all of it myself? There are very few things to spend gil on.

The issue goes both ways.

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How's that an issue?

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Originally Posted by Moqi

How's that an issue?

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Because making gil and having nothing to spend it on is a very boring economy.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Because making gil and having nothing to spend it on is a very boring economy.

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Motorcycles and travelling yaks as a gil sink please!

As a crafter, I find myself amassing money, but for what? At this point I'm funneling it to gearing up my crafting to have lucis, bought demimateria to get supra for gathering, and most likely work on my FC housing. Even with all gathering, I find myself buying low grade materials because I can't be bothered to go after non unspoiled items. This is something that is different for everyone.

As far as specialization, we could see it as maybe a "job" extension thing...though as much as I hate the crossign system. It'd be required for specific crafts and limit/restrict cross skills. If it ends up being something where you can only take 1 specalization no-questions-asked, then it kinda goes against the idea of the armor system allowing you to have access to all crafts. And before its compared to desynthesis, the latter (with fishing being the exception) all lead to demimaterias, not class-specific goods.