Missed ONE >>1<< Duty Finder commence, and now I have 30 minutes penalty.

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Originally Posted by Fellisin

I just explained it twice already.

No because the loophole would allows them to get around the three strike rule by having a collective pool of free strikes.

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Welcome to the new police state that is FFXIV. Maybe just maybe Yoshi and co need to worry more about making quality content or ACTUALLY fixing the duty finder instead of trying to police the player base something would get done.

The fact is the current penalty system for withdrawing or not hitting commence is lazy and was not thought out very well. Here's an idea instead of the new penalize everyone, they hide the in progress bar, make in progress work as in if you check in progress you get in progress or take it out completely. There is no need for them to do what they did when all they had to do was fix the current system. I just gave 3 options that would have worked better than this pile of steaming crap they gave us.

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Originally Posted by Fellisin

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So? Thats not ONE person getting multiple withdraws thats a party of trolls juggling strikes as a whole. Thats not a loophole of one person getting 6/3 strikes thats multiple people getting 2/3. That is not a loophole that is called trolling.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

So? Thats not ONE person getting multiple withdraws thats a party of trolls juggling strikes as a whole. Thats not a loophole of one person getting 6/3 strikes thats multiple people getting 2/3. That is not a loophole that is called trolling.

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Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.

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Originally Posted by maxthunder1

Welcome to the new police state that is FFXIV. Maybe just maybe Yoshi and co need to worry more about making quality content or ACTUALLY fixing the duty finder instead of trying to police the player base something would get done.

The fact is the current penalty system for withdrawing or not hitting commence is lazy and was not thought out very well. Here's an idea instead of the new penalize everyone, they hide the in progress bar, make in progress work as in if you check in progress you get in progress or take it out completely. There is no need for them to do what they did when all they had to do was fix the current system. I just gave 3 options that would have worked better than this pile of steaming crap they gave us.

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Yet withdrawals have drop massively.

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Originally Posted by Fellisin

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.

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But then at the end of the day they are only hurting themselves unlike today which they can hurt everyone. Are you saying you have no issue with people hopping into your party and giving you 3 strikes when it could be changed so only that one person who has nothing better to do but be a pain get the strikes?

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Originally Posted by Fellisin

Once again someone could ask someone to take a strike for them. Also well done, you just caught onto the aspect of a no joint strike system which can be used to troll a duty finder. Thus making the whole point of the strike system pointless without a joint strike system as well.



Yet withdrawals have drop massively.

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Really I stilll see withdrawls a lot of them.

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But then at the end of the day they are only hurting themselves unlike today which they can hurt everyone. Are you saying you have no issue with people hopping into your party and giving you 3 strikes when it could be changed so only that one person who has nothing better to do but be a pain get the strikes?

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I recognise the necessity of it. If someone gave me 3 strikes then I would eat the 30 minute penalty, be pretty annoyed by it and then never party with that person again.

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Originally Posted by maxthunder1

Really I stilll see withdrawls a lot of them.

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Yes but I doubt as much as before.

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I recognise the necessity of it. If someone gave me 3 strikes then I would eat the 30 minute penalty, be pretty annoyed by it and then never party with that person again.



Yes but I doubt as much as before.

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What is the necessity? The person who joined with the goal of slapping a penalty on everyone got what they wanted and a party of people are punished for legitimately wanting to play. If their goal was to get the penalty and take others with them then the current system accomplishes nothing. Singular member strikes would only add up maybe 10 seconds of queue time from the non offenders while current system takes 30 mins away. Not working as intended.

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Originally Posted by Rysir

What is the necessity? The person who joined with the goal of slapping a penalty on everyone got what they wanted and a party of people are punished for legitimately wanting to play. If their goal was to get the penalty and take others with them then the current system accomplishes nothing. Singular member strikes would only add up maybe 10 seconds of queue time from the non offenders while current system takes 30 mins away. Not working as intended.

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To stop collective pooling of strikes, as explained before.

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Originally Posted by Fellisin

Who said anything about fishing for in progress groups?. They could just keep deciding to drop out. They could just ask their mates to drop out for them so they don't get that third strike.

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Why on earth would someone keep walking away during the 45 second commencement window in such a planned manner that they can coordinate with their friends in order to get a few extra withdraws for themselves (at their friends expense mind you)? Out of the million or so situations where this might come up, this *MIGHT* happen once per day. Maybe. It may as well not even exist.

Only reason you might try to do this is trolling. But you're not gaining anything. Trolls in a group of 3 get 9 attempts to troll. Trolls acting as 3 individuals get 3 attempts to troll on their own and 9 attempts to troll total. Nothing gained. And what's even worse is that the group of 3 is trolling at most 21 people (ST), but an individual will be trolling up to 23 people (again ST). So really, because more people get affected when they do it as individuals, group trolling is in a sense "better" since it affects fewer outside people, and they don't get any more attempts at it.

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To stop collective pooling of strikes, as explained before.

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But how would collective pooling happen? The party leader would have to be A. One of the trolls (which then you can just leave the party without a penalty) or B. be so stupid they would invite the troll's friend when asked. You are assuming every player in the game is dumb as a rock.