Is it possible that Ninja will do more dps than Monk?

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Originally Posted by Lufir

In most raids, Ninjas will only be able to Trick Attack once, at the start of battle. So, they won't be able to consistently reapply the +10 damage buff. Trick Attack requires Hide and Hide is only usable outside of combat. Therefore, NIN won't be as desired in raids for that simple fact.

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Suiton lets you to SATA without Hide.

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Originally Posted by Pylfer

I assume the limiting factor is going to be their weapons have shit Raw damage to compensate for combo finishers with 320 POT, Kiss of the Wasp/Viper, B4B, Internal, +15% ATKSPD and the +10% damage.

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Yeah, that's very likely as well, and something I didn't consider. Guess we'll find out in a couple of months mate.

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Originally Posted by zar

Suiton lets you to SATA without Hide.

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Where can I find that info? The patch notes just say water damage with a potency of 180. Additional effect: Suiton. 10s duration.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Where can I find that info? The patch notes just say water damage with a potency of 180. Additional effect: Suiton. 10s duration.

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https://imgur.com/a/DrIQK Can find it there. Info is gained from patch notes along with analysis of past videos that show the hotbars. This is the whole reason Suiton gives an effect that lasts 10s on the user.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

Where can I find that info? The patch notes just say water damage with a potency of 180. Additional effect: Suiton. 10s duration.

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We are committing a logical fallacy while assuming this since we actually do not know to 100%, but... We assume that Suiton (Water) grants you "Hide" without using "Hide", so to say.

Edit: Oh cool! So... seems like we DO know. Sweet!

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Originally Posted by Gralna

On drg I want to throttle tanks who cause me to miss a positional, since I have to start that section of combo all over again

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Been there. One of my biggest pet peeves is tanks that can't sit the monster still quickly at the start of a fight. While the ranged DPS pew pew I have to wait for the tank to stop dancing so I can actually land an HT. I've stopped popping buffs on my first couple of rotation unless I know the tank is good because I waste BFB and IR often that way. Sometimes I have to sit on BFB because if I miss my window at the start of an encounter I can't use it before a raid-wide AoE.

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Originally Posted by Pylfer

I assume the limiting factor is going to be their weapons have shit Raw damage to compensate for combo finishers with 320 POT, Kiss of the Wasp/Viper, B4B, Internal, +15% ATKSPD and the +10% damage.

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Why? Mnks have 27% damage with GL3, 15% attack speed, 5% from Fists of Fire, 10% from Twin Snakes, -10% Blunt Resistance, B4B and for them Internal Release is better. Ninjas have higher base potency, 15% attack speed and -10% Slashing Resistance, B4B and weaksauce IR but 22% LESS steroid damage topped out. You do have high potency Trick Attack...on a 60sec CD.

Bootshine autocrit is 225 potency iirc, compared to NIN's 150 (180) potency Spinning Edge, for example. It's easy to eyeball the potency numbers and think 'high damage' but Mnk has more steroids than people give them credit for. I expect NIN to be higher than DRG on long fights, better at burst than MNK but top out lower. Middle of the lane.

EDITED: For bad math and forgetting about Twin Snakes. So...yeah.

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Originally Posted by Kripp

Is it possible that Ninja will do more dps than Monk?

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Yes. It's also possible that Monk dps will be more than Ninja.

Monks: "I sure hope not!"

Probably in long fights like turn eight, unless the bard is on top of paeon. Dragoons never have to worry about TP unlike monk, and rogues seem to be able to heal their own TP.