It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

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Originally Posted by Hali

Development time wasted on giving people something they can watch on youtube, which could have gone to something useful.

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I don't raid, so from my point of view the next turns of coil are a waste of development time that should have gone toward housing.

How's that sound?

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

Seems lots of people have their heads up their bottoms about this xD

For many people 50% echo with i120 would not help them, so I don't see anything wrong with a story/no loot mode, so they can go through the story.

I don't see why people who have the kill should care, unless they are trying to sell the kills...

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I highly doubt people buy kills to see cut scenes.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Some of us care about lore. I guess you don't. I do.

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It's likely that the "some of us" that you are referring to is actually a very, very small minority. Which leads me to believe they (SE) don't have any intention of doing this. If they did care about the small minority, Atma would be changed already or lockouts removed, which are more complained about topics.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

not really

example : T5

=> get rid of twister (like, definitively) : success probability improved by like 1000%.

This is obviously a bad example but you see the point. Remove things just to make sure anyone can reasonably have a chance to do it without the dedication needed for regular coil and that's it.

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I think this is what they might do for 2.4 as to push any of those who are behind into Second Coil. For which they might stay until 3.0 when they nerf both Second and Third Coil to push any slower players into new content.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

could we cut the crap about "I can do it so should you if you put the effort" ? Where did anyone talked about giving handouts to people who can't clear regular content ?.

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I never said if I can do it, you should be able to too. But in this case you should be able to! Conflag, run into fire or onto soak group, profit. Dive bombed, wait for divebomb dot or the sound, run forward then back, profit. Twister, have focus target on , move , profit. It's stupid how easy t5 is.

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Originally Posted by Lilyanna

What good are 'friends' if you can't be honest? I'm in a static with a healer buddy and if he does something bad, I tell him, and if I mess up, he tells me. I tell my own husband that he needs to improve if he's not doing what he is suppose to.

I'm not going to lie to someone and tell them they are doing good when they aren't, friend or not. If you can't be honest with your friend(s) then what kind of friendship is that?

Back to OP: Doesn't bother me either way, if no loots and no unlocks, then it shouldn't effect anything/anyone.

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Did I mention anything about lying or telling someone not to improve whether its a friend or not?No I didnt in fact that's a great way to help them so one day if you guys still haven't cleared it you have a higher chance of clearing it than before. There's nothing wrong with helping peple you know get through it which was the point of that post you quoted.

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Originally Posted by Hali

Development time wasted on giving people something they can watch on youtube, which could have gone to something useful.

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Because your enjoyment of the game is more important than theirs, right. And then they are the ones entitled.

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Originally Posted by Yoninxi

I never said if I can do it, you should be able to too. But in this case you should be able to! Conflag, run into fire or onto soak group, profit. Dive bombed, wait for divebomb dot or the sound, run forward then back, profit. Twister, have focus target on , move , profit. It's stupid how easy t5 is.

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I could use an explaination like that about how easy T9 is. Why have you not killed it? You should be able to kill it!

It's stupid how easy T9 is.

L2P newb! ;P (said in jest ^^)

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Originally Posted by Barboron

oh! Also, against OP's idea, how could this even tie in with the story? You're a warrior of light and can't even defeat Twintania with a 20% echo buff? Thanks for the offer but I'll find someone else to save the world.

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superiority complex much ? Your beloved "Warrior of light" titles hasn't anything to do with the coil to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Lilyanna

What good are 'friends' if you can't be honest? I'm in a static with a healer buddy and if he does something bad, I tell him, and if I mess up, he tells me. I tell my own husband that he needs to improve if he's not doing what he is suppose to.

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some just want to play with friends, without the stress of the results. There are no leaderboards in FFxiv. Things should be done for fun rather than for the sake of doing them. Yet again, if your fun is to clear shit, you can go full force at it :)

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

I don't raid, so from my point of view the next turns of coil are a waste of development time that should have gone toward housing.

How's that sound?

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almost as horrible as the other argument, but this debate isn't even resolved since they added gardening (ain't anyone got time to program that when there aren't enough raids to do ? )


seriously, everyone should be able to find fun in the game to their heart's content

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

I could use an explaination like that about how easy T9 is. Why have you not killed it? You should be able to kill it!

It's stupid how easy T9 is.

L2P newb! ;P

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I haven't cleared second coil cause I haven't even tried. I beat T6 then stopped doing it cause other games came out. Haven't even entered T7 . If I wanted to, I'd join a learning party and get my wins like if done for every other fight I've cleared.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

I don't raid, so from my point of view the next turns of coil are a waste of development time that should have gone toward housing.

How's that sound?

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My eyes rolled so hard they nearly fell out my head. I knew someone would use a tragically bad argument like that.
Just for you though, let me simplify my previous post for you.

New content > Reworked Youtube mode of old fight beaten by over 90% of the player base

You know very well what I meant, and that was a horribly cheap shot.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

almost as horrible as the other argument, but this debate isn't even resolved since they added gardening (ain't anyone got time to program that when there aren't enough raids to do ? )

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That's the reason I made it. I don't begrudge raiders from having coil or others having content that I don't play. This game isn't about a single play style and without the variety, none of it would exist. I get sick of the raiders uber alles crap.