Problems with SMN Resurrection Spell Usage

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

This is wrong. No offense, but you don't know what you're saying. If SMN has to Resurrection more than once in a relatively short period of time, their MP is trashed. You have to start using Energy Drain to even try to keep up, which is throwing your dps in the gutter since you ought to be using Fester.

Helping to Raise is undoubtedly a good thing SMN should be doing, but if people are constantly on the floor, it's a total waste of time. It will tank the SMN's MP, tank their dps, and the person you got up will just die again, contributing nothing.

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By this logic, Bards should never use Mage's Ballad. If you're a SMN, and you're not reviving, you're not doing your job.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Priority raise to SMN seems very strange to me (SCH). I am always #1. I don't have MP issues unless 3 people + my fairy all die at the same time or something. Things dying slower because the SMN dumped 800 MP is silly and weird.

Save SMN raise for when both healers have Swift down, both healers are dead, or more than 2 people are dead.

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Yeah! I've been waiting for someone to say this. The priority should actually be SCH-->SMN-->WHM. SCH has so much better MP management. Unless I've had to raise 3+ people in a short amount of time I'm not running out of MP. And that's...well, probably a wipe.

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

By this logic, Bards should never use Mage's Ballad. If you're a SMN, and you're not reviving, you're not doing your job.

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If you 're a healer, and you are not reviving, You not doing your job as healer

Nice logic indeed, I loved it

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Originally Posted by Altimis

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A better example would be healers DPSing. People expect it, esp of SCH...why shouldn't SMN be expected to use all their abilities?

If they aren't healers...why should they sustain their pets as well?

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Originally Posted by Altimis

If you 're a healer, and you are not reviving, You not doing your job as healer

Nice logic indeed, I loved it

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You must be very lucky to never have had a healer die in any of your groups. It's not like it makes more sense for a SMN to revive so the remaining healer can focus on keeping the rest of the group alive. BUT NO! MUST TOP THOSE DPS CHARTZ! BIG NUMBAHZ!

So yes. Any Summoner who can prevent a wipe, but refuses to revive because it might hurt their DPS, is not doing their job.

It literally takes a second for a healer to raise. Same as a SMN. Insisting SMN is more qualified than (otherhealer) to do it based solely on "keeping the group alive" is, frankly, silly. If Swiftcast didn't exist you would have a point, but I find time to hardcast raise too while not letting anyone die. So...

Any healer who would rather have the SMN do it (and is fine on MP, or will need a Ballad alongside the other healer anyways) is not doing their job.

Smn should use Rez when they can, as sch i am always first to rez because i am always first to notice and i can force my fairy to spot heal. As whm, i almost never have swift up, because chances are if some big attack is taking people out, i burnt my SC keeping everyone edpecially tanks alive and its most likely the fault of whoever died for eating multiple attacks instead of the big unavoidable. Just from this things my whm just burnt through the MP equal to a raise to prevent a wipe. Those are if, in general a group is good, if they suck i raise when i can as heals, and expect the smn to chip in too because if the group is in a hole, unless there is 1% left,dps wont save you from a wipe.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

It literally takes a second for a healer to raise. Same as a SMN. Insisting SMN is more qualified than (otherhealer) to do it based solely on "keeping the group alive" is, frankly, silly. If Swiftcast didn't exist you would have a point, but I find time to hardcast raise too while not letting anyone die. So...

Any healer who would rather have the SMN do it (and is fine on MP, or will need a Ballad alongside the other healer anyways) is not doing their job.

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It's a good thing that Swiftcast is never on cooldown.
It's a good thing that Raise doesn't hurt a healer's MP pool just as much as a SMN.
It's a good thing that every single party has a Bard.
It's a good thing that every Bard is smart enough to use Mage's Ballad when it's needed.
It's a good thing that the party doesn't wipe if a healer runs out of MP from reviving everyone, just to make sure that SMN keeps up the DPS.

Oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Gamma621

It's a good thing that Swiftcast is never on cooldown.
It's a good thing that Raise doesn't hurt a healer's MP pool just as much as a SMN.
It's a good thing that every single party has a Bard.
It's a good thing that every Bard is smart enough to use Mage's Ballad when it's needed.
It's a good thing that the party doesn't wipe if a healer runs out of MP from reviving everyone, just to make sure that SMN keeps up the DPS.

Oh wait...

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Depends.
It doesn't. SMN has less.
Point.
BRD is an idiot then, no fault of any of the mages.
If this happens you were doomed anyways. Also hyperbole. Also ignoring my "and is fine on MP" stipulation.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Depends.
It doesn't. SMN has less.
Point.
BRD is an idiot then, no fault of any of the mages.
If this happens you were doomed anyways. Also hyperbole. Also ignoring my "and is fine on MP" stipulation.

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SMN has less MP, but it also has cheaper skills. So yes, revives hurt a healer's MP just as much.
Bard is an idiot for not using Ballad, but you're smart for not reviving as a SMN? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bard's lose way more DPS using Ballad than a SMN ever would by reviving.
No, you would not be doomed. Because the SMN would be taking the MP issue away from the healer, leaving them free to keep the party alive. If most SMNs would just get over themselves, there would be a lot less wipes.

All I'm hearing is, "It's not my fault the other players are bad." You, as the alleged better player, should be able to help pick up the slack of the people who are struggling. Not just blame the rest of the group and act superior.

I play WHM, SCH, and SMN as my mains, all being i90+. I've seen several situations where a SMN revive has prevented a wipe, especially when I'm the SMN reviving people. And not once has it severely hindered my DPS. So stop thinking only about topping the DPS chart, and start helping your team succeed.