Problems with SMN Resurrection Spell Usage

[Marianno]

Lately, I've gotten a lot of flack and drama about not using resurrection spell when I play with my SMN job in dungeons from Healers(WHMs) and DPS(MNK,DRG,BLM) and some tanks(PLD). When I play in high end dungeons such as coil t1-t5, extreme/HM primal fights, or simply playing in some dungeons wherethe tank wants to speedrun and pull the entire first half of the dungeon (i.e. brayflox). Everytime, I always have to tell people not to stand in red circles or stand in anything that the boss is casting.

Most recent incident was in Thornmarch/ Titan Extreme. The DPS and the WHM kept on dropping like flies due to plumes. A lot of people were yelling at me and the other SMN to use res and I yelled back saying "DO NOT STAND IN ANYTHING THE BOSS IS CASTING". Upon saying that I follwed up and told them that SMNs lose a lot of MP when casting res because at 50 it cost 798 MP. A lot of MNKs,DRGs, BLMs have even gotten angry at me for not using res when MNKs/DRGs die to garudas wicked wheel in garuda extreme or when BLMs stand there trying to finish their cast and take damage when she jumps and the healer won't heal them. Am I doing something wrong?

Am I wrong for telling them to learn to dodge things and not to stand in red circles or stand in whatever the boss is casting against you because it is never good usually. Everytime this happens, I end up getting dismissed because I refuse to continuously res MNKs/DRGs who can't dodge avoidable mechanics. I also refuse to res BLMs who refuse to stop casting to move out of avoidable AOEs. Am I wrong for this?

[Ardan]

If the healer is dying due to mechanics or from AoEs, it's their own fault. Same goes for DPS. Most of the time the healers can get people up themselves. However, because you have access to an instant cast raise every minute as a DPS class, it's expected of you to chip in to get people up once in a while. But if people are dying left and right to mechanics alone, no amount of raising will cure their stupid.

You're not doing anything wrong, but you could be doing more.

[Exstal]

Battle resurrection is an incredibly powerful utility spell because it's supposed to be a healer only skill. So they expect the res rotation to be SMN => SCH => WHM. But if you don't have Bard, it's kind of annoying because you waste so much mana ressing people who can't be arsed to dodge, or lag, or are bad.

It's not wrong to tell them to suck less, but you should res people who need to be ressed whereas you should teach the people who aren't even trying a good lesson (those BLMs who refuse to move). Then tell them, "I'm not wasting my MP because you don't want to play properly."

[Jamez82]

Sounds like his problem is with "repeatedly" rezzing. I feel yoyr pain.
When I play my smn I will almost always rez someone the second I see them drop, but I'm not always going to see it either. I am to busy paying attention to dpsing, I can't be expected to watch everyones health bars at all times on top of that or I'd have brought my sch.

[Deifact]

You should definitely try and res if one or two people fall, but you'll quickly know if it's a lost cause. That res could save from a wipe so by not using your res skill you're potentially wasting your own and your team mates time.

Just try to be more flexible, SMN is a class that excels in flexibility, so you're doing it a disservice by not utilising everything at your disposal.

[Merryl]

When both mages go down ...yes its your turn to take over. Rez the healer and then heal them. They will have one shot of mp after being raised. If they're smart they'll use that one shot to cast medica 2 or protect and then hide long enough to regain some mp to raise the tank.

[Alistaire]

Should they avoid avoidable damage? Yes. Should you be the first to swift-res anyone that doesn't, for whatever reason? Also yes.

SMN might as well be considered a non-MP using job considering how easy it is for them to keep up enough MP to do their dps'ing.

[Hiruke]

Should they avoid avoidable damage? Yes. Should you be the first to swift-res anyone that doesn't, for whatever reason? Also yes.

SMN might as well be considered a non-MP using job considering how easy it is for them to keep up enough MP to do their dps'ing.

This is wrong. No offense, but you don't know what you're saying. If SMN has to Resurrection more than once in a relatively short period of time, their MP is trashed. You have to start using Energy Drain to even try to keep up, which is throwing your dps in the gutter since you ought to be using Fester.

Helping to Raise is undoubtedly a good thing SMN should be doing, but if people are constantly on the floor, it's a total waste of time. It will tank the SMN's MP, tank their dps, and the person you got up will just die again, contributing nothing.

[MrCookTM]

Correct me if I'm wrong because i didn't play a healing job at high level yet, but from my understanding Swiftcast is used by a Healer in emergency situations like death of a party member etc., whereas my Swiftcast will 'almost never' be available for a rez, since Swiftcast -> Shadow Flare is a set part of my rotations and will always be on cooldown.

[Gamma621]

This is wrong. No offense, but you don't know what you're saying. If SMN has to Resurrection more than once in a relatively short period of time, their MP is trashed. You have to start using Energy Drain to even try to keep up, which is throwing your dps in the gutter since you ought to be using Fester.

Helping to Raise is undoubtedly a good thing SMN should be doing, but if people are constantly on the floor, it's a total waste of time. It will tank the SMN's MP, tank their dps, and the person you got up will just die again, contributing nothing.

By this logic, Bards should never use Mage's Ballad. If you're a SMN, and you're not reviving, you're not doing your job.