Interesting Thaumaturge fact....

ffxiv thm do sorta got light and darkness like 1 sect is light based (healers etc) while the other sect is darker boarderline necromancers.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Thaumaturge is an interesting discipline indeed in terms of its background in the game. To anyone who's done the Ul'dah quest line (and actually paid attention) you find out that the Thaumaturgy guild is actually split into two separate disciplines which worship the twins Nald and Thal. The guild that worships Thal (darkness, death, the god of the underworld) is the guild you join as a THM, the Arzzaneth Ossuary. The other is a Guild that is much more restrictive about accepting members, and isn't even labeled on the map in english (though it's there in Eorzean), the Milvaneth Sacrarium. This guild worship Nald (Light, Life, god of the overworld).

Thaumaturges in Eorzean lore are those who (like the fountain in front of the guild suggests) worship both these aspects of life and death.

"Know both faces of Nald'Thal"

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That is quite interesting, thank you for posting it! I started in Gridania so got a lot of CON lore. :P

Hmm, based on that, I could see THM becoming white mage by getting quests to join this more exclusive Milvaneth Sacrarium. Probably unlikely, but a fun thing to consider. :)

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Originally Posted by Greed

By the way
they don't carry vengeance against their people
because they give them to people for judgment
( THM quest )

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When I said typically it was kinda an **anti-spoiler** to the miqote one shotting the rival. Vagueness due to people who might want to figure out more about quest, most of us in this thread have probably done all three though.

edit: its cool there's a guild of umbral thm and astral thm, i would lvoe whm off of thm, but conj would ragequit.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I just found out recently that a "Thaumaturge" is actually some kind of miracle working saint...
While a conjurer is a pagan witch....

The game kind of casts the thaums in more of a dark, shadowy, underworld kind of light (Or lack thereof), I thought it was weird....

Conjurer seems spot on for what you would expect given the name... but thaumaturge seems off to me....

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Here's how I view CON and THM. Conjurers connect with the mystical, while Thaumaturges connect with the spiritual.

Many fantasy games have the traditional mage and priest. FFXIV took a distinctly unique route. For this, I applaud them. Of course, it was so unique that the descriptions used to define the classes made the mage sound like the healer, and the priest sound like the offensive caster.

Thaumaturge does seem to be a departure from what you normally see in Final Fantasy games. Again, its description on the official site sounds like a dark DD caster:

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In the hands of a skilled practitioner, thaumaturgy can be a force of terrifying destruction. At the heart of this school of magic lies the ability to call forth and command the latent aether within oneself through deep introspection.

To mold that aether into sorcery, the thaumaturge makes use of a scepter or staff, within which is housed a medium - a natural stone imbued with magical properties. The guild is centered at the Arrzaneth Ossuary in Ul'dah, within whose hallowed walls are said to reside powers of life, death, and the beyond.

Thaumaturges are unparalleled in their powers of destruction, eclipsing even the Disciples of War.

By enfeebling enemies and enhancing their allies, thaumaturgy can prove to be an invaluable asset, particularly in battles of attrition.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Thaumaturge is an interesting discipline indeed in terms of its background in the game. To anyone who's done the Ul'dah quest line (and actually paid attention) you find out that the Thaumaturgy guild is actually split into two separate disciplines which worship the twins Nald and Thal. The guild that worships Thal (darkness, death, the god of the underworld) is the guild you join as a THM, the Arzzaneth Ossuary. The other is a Guild that is much more restrictive about accepting members, and isn't even labeled on the map in english (though it's there in Eorzean), the Milvaneth Sacrarium. This guild worship Nald (Light, Life, god of the overworld).

Thaumaturges in Eorzean lore are those who (like the fountain in front of the guild suggests) worship both these aspects of life and death.

"Know both faces of Nald'Thal"

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This is interesting, indeed. Again, I initially chose CON because I wanted to be a healer. But now I'm starting to wonder if THM will end up splitting into two job choices, a holy healer (WHM) and a dark caster.

Because of this, I held off on leveling my CON any further. It seems I may want to consider leveling my THM.

Sort of perplexes me. I created a character history based on being a CON from Gridania. Rowyne may be in for career change. ;)

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

When I said typically it was kinda an **anti-spoiler** to the miqote one shotting the rival. Vagueness due to people who might want to figure out more about quest, most of us in this thread have probably done all three though.

edit: its cool there's a guild of umbral thm and astral thm, i would lvoe whm off of thm, but conj would ragequit.

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err...
it's just like saying 90% of movie story and then get angry when someone else said the last 10%...

edit: by the way
THM aoe heal >>>>>> CON aoe heal
( so if you have 50 THM & 50 CON and want to play healer than 99% of time you will be THM )

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Originally Posted by Powercow

So if a class's power is based off how good it is at farming materials, then I suppose Miner is the most OP class.

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Hilarious :)