Duty Roulette (remove the one person limit)

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Originally Posted by XNihili

I agree as long as the reward is reduced the more people you have :)
Playing with friends should be reward enough by itself :p

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Because punishing players for wanting to play with their friends in an MMO is totally an awesome system design...

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

So yeah.. it wasn't any sort of design that SQE made it solo only.. it's that they can't seem to program their way out of a paper bag half the time.

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This applies to so much, sadly. xD

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Originally Posted by jomoru

90 myth tomes in an hour is no where near as efficient as a Garuda or WP farm.

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It sure is a hell of a lot more fun and varied, though. Or it would be more fun if I could do it with people I enjoy playing with. Spamming WP some more is about the last thing I want to do nowadays.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Wrong. You were never punished by forming premades. You were merely rewarded for going in solo to benefit other people.

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That is quite honestly semantics. Queueing up with my fiance means we have to suffer through a lot more dull tome grinds than those who queue solo. That definitely seems like punishment to me.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Because punishing players for wanting to play with their friends in an MMO is totally an awesome system design...

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Wrong. You were never punished by forming premades. You were merely rewarded for going in solo to benefit other people.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Wrong. You were never punished by forming premades. You were merely rewarded for going in solo to benefit other people.

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Indeed. It's called an opportunity cost, something some of these people don't understand.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

I've played all roles in MMO's so yes I do understand. Times as dps are longer so what? Your playing a role more people like which is why you need 2 of them per group of 4 with 1 tank and heals, so yeah your going to wait. Want shorter que times again find some friends and ask them for help seriously, not that hard, some things in this game your not doing alone so make some friends and it's a lot easier.

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but thats not what the numbers are showing now is it? the ideal scenarios and facts are 2 different things. and the fact is, people are queuing way too long to get into low level instances. u want to escape the monotony of tome grinding in wp but dont want to go solo then dont use duty roulette. urs is a luxury where to others is a necessity. get it?

leave the option there, let friends queue up with it too... solo people are STILL gonna use it despite the removal of the limitation.

It's a stupid thing blocking friends from doing roulette together...

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Wrong. You were never punished by forming premades. You were merely rewarded for going in solo to benefit other people.

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Wrong. No one was rewarded for going solo, they just couldn't implement it until 2.2
However, even if it was the case, it's still just a matter of perspective. Not giving a reward equals to punishing, from a certain point of view.
Never heard something like: "No extra cookie for you, you acted bad!"? That's a punishment and send the message you are doing something wrong.
Your perspective on the matter is naive and biased. If you were the one getting less, you would absolutely feel punished, I assure you.

More on topic, I feel like SE doesn't change anything relevant until each major patch. Then I guess a lot of other important stuff (such as this) won't change till 2.2.
So has any one of you a hint on the release date? I checked on history from FFXI's patches and it seemed they released one around every 6 months.
Do you think we should expect the same from FFXIV?

P.S. : Good year everyone!

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

It's a stupid thing blocking friends from doing roulette together...

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It's not, stop it. That's not what the roulette is for - get over it.

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

Wrong. No one was rewarded for going solo, they just couldn't implement 2.2
However, even if it was the case, it's still just a matter of perspective. Not giving a reward equals to punishing, from the right point of view.
Never heard something like: "No extra cookie for you, you did bad!"? That's a punishment, a lesson, call it whatever you like.
Your perspective on the matter is naive and biased. If you were the one ge...

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u get something called "reward" for a reason.

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

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No, it's an opportunity cost. Period.

"The cost of an alternative that must be forgone in order to pursue a certain action. Put another way, the benefits you could have received by taking an alternative action."

Choose to go solo with the roulette, you get the given bonus. Choose to group with friends, get faster clears on average.

Opportunity Cost.

If it was punishment, you would lose something you already get for grouping with friends. As an example, if you got 15 Myth instead of 30 if you go premade. That would be a punishment.

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

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No, I don't bend words to suit my "perspective". I don't make things out to be that they aren't. Calling something like this a punishment, when it clearly isn't, is one of the many reasons some gamers feel that this is the entitlement generation.

Regardless of if/when they allow more than one to use the roulette, what you're doing is whining that SE is punishing you for running in a group. They aren't. Each, premades, and roulette, have their specific pros. You're ignoring the pros of premades, to justify calling the roulette a punishment to those who run in premades.

That's all you're doing.

Do note, that a premade will get those Tomes/Gil/Whatever FASTER than someone using the roulette once a day.

Wouldn't mind it if a large number of people in this game weren't a bunch of jerks. It's like this video game is all they know. O.o