Balmung is Homeless on Christmas' Eve. Is this really what you wanted, Yoshida-san?

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Originally Posted by Edellis

The Gil on your server is not the same as the Gil on my server, so that's actually debatable. Which is sort of what this is all about. 4 million might as well be 20 million for me.

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Doubtful. I made exactly the same amount of gil leveling up that you did. I'm a new player, not Legacy.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Some guy said MOST mmorpgs, so I'll counter with ONE example. . .

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One example still means MOST is valid. Your entire point was... idk... meaningless?

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Not True.

The cash my small FC on Durandal has amassed was made without using the market boards. We made this gil from quest rewards, levequest rewards and main scenario rewards. If I recall correctly, those rewards are the same on your server as they are on everyone else's. We have 1.2 million. So, a small house on YOUR cheap-cheapety-cheapest server is exceedingly attainable.

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The costs wern't scaled to quest rewards leves and scenarios...they were scaled to the player economy and amount of gil in circulation between active players.

Besides, 1.2 million is only 30% the cost of the lowest plot. Your FC has a ways to go.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Was pricing different between worlds, or consistent?

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It was consistent, but as I said, NC Soft's people didnt really care about the economy, outside of "let's price this so that it takes anyone who is legit a lot of time or luck to get this much money together".

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

One example still means MOST is valid. Your entire point was... idk... meaningless?

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He claimed to not remember any MMORPG having housing unobtainable on day 1 of implementation. I mentioned one example of such.

The point, which you seemed to miss, is that this wasn't something that the devs wanted obtainable within a day. Yoshida took a page from the old school designs and korean MMOs because otherwise every FC from here to Atomos would have a house and add yet another item to the eternal whine list of "I have nothing to do".

I may raise a fuss if personal housing has the prices currently listed for FC Housing. As things stand I see the intent of the devs and simply shrug my shoulders.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

If that is actually true, why did Yoshi himself say that the pricing options are set in such a way that only 80% of FC's will have a house in 3 months?

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Can afford and willingness to pay are two different things. Remember that the prices were also set with the understanding that gil generation is higher now (and it definitely is).

I'm not saying I think the prices are just right at the moment, but they are intentionally set up to go down over time. They are/were simply concerned with not having enough space initially. They admitted that the pricing particularly on legacy worlds was excesesive and that's why they're going to scale it back down. The first price drop (ignoring the regular devaluations) is to take place at the end of the month (next week), at which point I and quite a few people might be able to consider buying a small house. 80% in 3 months means a smaller percentage sooner. It only took a week before one of the larger companies was able to buy a large house with contributions from all their members. Larger company = larger house, only makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

The costs wern't scaled to quest rewards leves and scenarios...they were scaled to the player economy and amount of gil in circulation between active players.

Besides, 1.2 million is only 30% the cost of the lowest plot. Your FC has a ways to go.

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They were scaled to amount of gil on the server. Absolutely not to gil in circulation. The Market Board is an excellent indicator of gil in circulation. The more gil in circulation, the higher the prices because the "value" of each individual gil is less when there is more gil available. As I've stated before, their Market prices are not any different from ours. Meaning they can make the same amount (or very close to) from the Market as we do. Problem is their servers have a few people (Yoshi cited a whooping 10) who have over 100 million gil. There's nothing to support that those individuals are putting the total of their gil back into the economy for all to benefit from.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm not saying I think the prices are just right at the moment, but they are intentionally set up to go down over time. They are/were simply concerned with not having enough space initially. They admitted that the pricing particularly on legacy worlds was excesesive and that's why they're going to scale it back down. The first price drop (ignoring the regular devaluations) is to take place at the end of the month (next week), at which

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Honestly, that would have sat a lot better with me -if- they'd been honest with it up front (as far as my server goes, still wouldn't be okay with legacy prices). Instead they lied about housing costs drastically, and continued to hype the feature as the main part of 2.1, and to hype it as if it would be easy for everyone to get access to. That led to false expectations that could never be close to being met with the patch.. and that's going to anger people.

They mislead their customer base... that I am definitely not okay with, and I expect them to hold true to their promises. I don't blame players one bit for being upset, and I fully support people complaining about this one. Customer trust is a huge thing, you don't go and do something that causes a lot of players to lose it.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

One example still means MOST is valid. Your entire point was... idk... meaningless?

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Exactly. And Lineage is an extremely outdated anyway. It's not nearly within market standards.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

The point, which you seemed to miss, is that this wasn't something that the devs wanted obtainable within a day. Yoshida took a page from the old school designs and korean MMOs

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Taking a page from bad design is not a good idea.

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because otherwise every FC from here to Atomos would have a house and add yet another item to the eternal whine list of "I have nothing to do".

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False, because the concept of well designed housing is to let people buy the basic house and then making them work hard for rare furniture or to expand. You don't immediately run out of things to do once you buy a small house. Not even close.

Keep the strawman arguments coming :D

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I may raise a fuss if personal housing has the prices currently listed for FC Housing. As things stand I see the intent of the devs and simply shrug my shoulders.

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I wouldn't place my hopes or trust in that. They said the same thing about FC housing - that it would be affordable with only 3-5 players pooling their 1-50 gil on one job.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

The costs wern't scaled to quest rewards leves and scenarios...they were scaled to the player economy and amount of gil in circulation between active players.

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I have serious doubt about that part, it sure sounded like SE's definition of "in circulation" includes the amount that sits in people's wallet, which is an extremely flawed position to take.

Coming from Balmung myself I'd have to say I disagree with the paralyzed economy statement. Sure some things have shifted since it's easier to get some times of items now, but that's natural since the dynamics of the supply have changed. We most certainly do have a functioning economy.