Hmm - I literally do not remember the last time I was grudged in that fight. I did remember I was BLM 2-shotting them from across the room without getting grudged a while back. I assume that they grudge you if you're really far away, and then also move. Maybe not - I can't say I was ever baiting for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper
Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.
so i was wondering about Whm and WP
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12-12-2013, 05:32 PMHoroBoro
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12-12-2013, 05:47 PMLiadansWhisperI've seen it happen if I was on the outer edge of the circle, and they were by the boss. It's not consistent, and what they judge as "ranged" seems to vary. I've seen a Bard, for instance, kite them around the room and never have them cast it once. But I've had tonberries by the boss (with the tank not AoE tanking and no AoE going out from the DPS) suddenly turn and cast grudge at me standing just inside the watery area to the left of the boss (facing from the door, mind you). I still really think the OP is leaving stuff out.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoroBoro
They build threat just like anything else. However, Regen isn't going to pull them off a tank AoE tanking, and neither is Stoneskin. A crit Cure II on a tank that just took a grudge will, however, get their attention (especially if, for whatever reason, the tank goes down very low and you have to cast two in a row). It's less of an issue now with geared tanks/tanks that know what their buttons do, but you do still see it from time to time with inexperienced tanks (regardless of gear, really, since there's a lot of people out there with Relics that have little to no experience with their class) or if, as happened to my group earlier (I wasn't healing, lol), our tank DC'd. >.>Quote:
Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.
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12-12-2013, 07:09 PMTlamila
First of all, I agree with all LiadansWhisper said.
Now to me, it's not so much about why wasn't that whm able to save himself, but on why it happened. In my experience, if I get the littles on me it's because DPS is screwing up bigtime. Yes you could maybe save the situation from someone's fails, but sure blaming someone for not doing that is crazy imho. Yes, an healer can do more then just heal, but if the DPS doesn't even bother dpsing, why should you? -
12-13-2013, 12:18 AMDevaking55I'm not going to stop dpsing the boss to kill one derpberry that a relic whm can kill in one shot. Yes it's my job to kill stuff but I have a head on my shoulders and I carry my own weight, if your bad and can't do that there's no problem, just don't complain about it. And shame on you liadanswhisper, you should know betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Tlamila
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12-13-2013, 03:27 AMLiadansWhisperNope. Shame on you for coming in here and trying to justify being a jerk in a dungeon and letting the healer die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devaking55
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12-13-2013, 03:41 AMbaopee
I know it is not really tank's responsibilities to kill tons during the final boss, but when i see either dps or healer being attack by tons, i will at least grab the tons off them. I have played tank/ dps and healer, IMHO, healer has the hardest job out of all the jobs. so pls help the others so they can help you.
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12-13-2013, 06:06 AMBigpurpleharnessJust throwing this out there (Not disagreeing with you, just sharing knowledge), a single holy will one shot all the tonberries. A Crit stone 2 will also, a stone 2 and stone will take care of them non crit. There is also repose. Again, this really isn't pointed at you so much as educating in general that it really isn't hard for a healer to handle themselves, especially a WHM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brady672
I think OP's healer is being lazy. My DS Regen heals the tank through everything but multistacked Grudge, so I generally tell the group I'll handle adds. I nuke the first wave with Stone 2, then holy each one after that. It allows the DPS to burn down the boss, and has the added benefit of me knowing exactly how much grudge damage is going out, which I wouldn't if a DPS killed one a bit late and thus gave the King a stack I wasn't expecting. -
12-13-2013, 06:29 AMbaopee
It also depends on the jobs you have in your party, last few SR i did, i just ask everyone aoe the tons when they are close to the king, otherwise just focus on the king, and it works out pretty well.
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12-13-2013, 06:32 AMYuiSasakiShame on the WHM who cant heal against 200 dmg / hit O.o.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper
If you move away from the boss as a tank you get a 4k hit which is quite more fatal than 1 tonberry. -
12-13-2013, 06:38 AMLiadansWhisperThe Grudge attack by the Tonberries does significantly more than 200. :) You can stand there and get stabbed by the little guys for like, a minute before you drop. The only way the OP makes sense is if the WHM was getting hit with Grudge, as I've explained multiple times but you apparently couldn't be arsed to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by YuiSasaki
A lot of people do that, or just ignore the little adds and burn the boss as quickly as possible. The only time there is an issue is if the tank isn't AoE tanking to keep the little guys on him. If he is, it's normally fine. But if he also ignores the little guys, they will aggro on the healer very quickly. And if the healer isn't right on Tonberry's butt (which is quite common), they start casting grudge. All it takes is 2-3 of them on the healer at the same time and the healer will likely drop in 2-3 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by baopee